Israel Palestine conflict (2 Viewers)

[nilatar]

Haha nope, I’ve seen him before on a couple of threads, but I just can’t figure out when he’s serious or not

He is serious, just simply intellectually challenged.

 

[queenb_3]

He is serious, just simply intellectually challenged.

Right right

 

[SylviaB]

Mate there have been authorities proving this number.

i didnt say its incorrect

 

[SylviaB]

It is though

no, its not

Take the vast triangular tract of land at the south of the map. That's the Negev desert. Apart from a few small oases, kibbutzes and towns, it's empty wasteland; it isn't owned by anyone. It represents almost half of the territory of Israel/Palestine. In 1946, the map represents it as "Palestinian land". That's silly. In 1949, it has somehow become "Jewish land". That's almost as silly, though Jewish irrigation projects did gradually, over a period of decades, turn an increasing (if still-small) portion of the desert into arable agricultural land claimed by Jewish owners. But the impression the map gives is that in 1947-8, Jews seized that land from Palestinian owners, which is absurd. What happened was that a piece of empty desert which had been under the control of the British Mandate (who got it after the Ottoman Empire fell apart) was awarded to the Jewish state. This is a question of political control, not land ownership.

Here's an even more obvious case. See that rightward bulge at the map's top right? In 1946, it too is green, and by 1949, it too has turned white. That bulge is the Sea of Galilee. It seems fairly straightforward that representing this body of water as "Palestinian land" in 1946 and "Jewish land" in 1949 is rather absurd.

Even within settled areas, like the coastal plain, the Galilee and the West Bank, it's impossible to tell from this map whether "Jewish land" refers to land owned by Jews or land under Israeli/Jewish political control. What about land that continues to be owned by its Palestinian owners while politically becoming part of Israel? Such land is not represented on this map. And so forth. The map needs to distinguish four categories of land: land owned by Jews under Israeli political control; land owned by Jews but under Palestinian political control; land owned by Palestinians but under Israeli political control; and land owned by Palestinians under Palestinian political control. On the 1946 map, furthermore, there would need to be a different means of representation entirely, since there was, at the time, no Jewish or Palestinian political control. This map blurs the distinctions incomprehensibly, and it does so in a way that tendentiously maximises the impression that Jews have seized Palestinian-owned land.

Jews, and the Israeli state, have, in fact, seized great quantities of Palestinian land in the territory of Israel/Palestine over the past 60 years. Israelis and Americans must acknowledge this fact to make any progress towards peace, and an accurate accounting of such seizures would be very valuable. But this particular map only confuses and distorts the issue, and seems clearly designed for propaganda purposes.

 

[stressedadfff]

He is serious, just simply intellectually challenged.

will pray for him

 

[stressedadfff]

yeah they are, just got increased to over 100 (civilians btw). Yet ppl say hamas is the (only) terrorist organisation which caused this. israel has killed more people IN THE LAST WEEK than hamas has in the last 70 years. israel is not targeting those terrorists btw, the three infants killed last time were definitely not posing a threat to the poor israeli settlers, attempting to belong in places which will never fucking accept them. They can move on. Lol and now they're paying students to defend them online, sad world.

 

[SylviaB]

yeah they are, just got increased to over 100 (civilians btw). Yet ppl say hamas is the (only) terrorist organisation which caused this. israel has killed more people IN THE LAST WEEK than hamas has in the last 70 years. israel is not targeting those terrorists btw, the three infants killed last time were definitely not posing a threat to the poor israeli settlers, attempting to belong in places which will never fucking accept them. They can move on. Lol and now they're paying students to defend them online, sad world.

kind of rich for arab muslims to cry about others forcing themselves into places they don't belong lmao

 

[queenb_3]

kind of rich for arab muslims to cry about others forcing themselves into places they don't belong lmao

Arab Muslims? You know this isn’t a religious struggle right concerning just Muslims? There are Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Jews. And it’s neither just Arab Muslims fighting against what’s happening. One doesn’t need to be Arab or Muslim, they just need to be human.

And what do you mean by ‘kind of rich’? Why do you characterise a certain group of people for fighting against the atrocities committed and the abuse of human rights against their brothers and sisters?

 

[stressedadfff]

Arab Muslims? You know this isn’t a religious struggle right concerning just Muslims? There are Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Jews. And it’s neither just Arab Muslims fighting against what’s happening. One doesn’t need to be Arab or Muslim, they just need to be human.

And what do you mean by ‘kind of rich’? Why do you characterise a certain group of people for fighting against the atrocities committed and the abuse of human rights against their brothers and sisters?

He’s a joke don’t worry bebs. Yh christians aren’t even allowed to enter churches. Not about religion.

 

[stressedadfff]

kind of rich for arab muslims to cry about others forcing themselves into places they don't belong lmao

Lol let’s not act like those “places” weren’t colonised from the natives. So Yh after “white” colonisation I guess everyone was influenced.

 

[Veryboreduser9865]

Thoughts?

Instead of all this conflict, they all come together to find a solution

 

[stressedadfff]

Instead of all this conflict, they all come together to find a solution

That’s don’t what Israel wants. They’re greedy scumbags they want one state under Israeli sovereign. They want to fight so they can face the consequences and man up rather than targeting fucking civilians.

 

[queenb_3]

Instead of all this conflict, they all come together to find a solution

Yes that would be great, however it is a bit hard and almost unbelievable when you’ve got countries like America, with Biden and Kamala Harris saying ‘we stand with Israel’ 20 million times in his speech, while also failing to recognise the atrocities that Israel is committing (not only America, other countries too).

And as @stressedadfff mentioned, that’s not what Israel wants. They’re greedy, they want more and more without even realising it’s the Palestinians who took them in following WWII and as antisemitism grew in Europe.

PS: let’s not call it a conflict, it’s a struggle and it’s genocide

 

[Veryboreduser9865]

Yes that would be great, however it is a bit hard and almost unbelievable when you’ve got countries like America, with Biden and Kamala Harris saying ‘we stand with Israel’ 20 million times in his speech, while also failing to recognise the atrocities that Israel is committing (not only America, other countries too).

And as @stressedadfff mentioned, that’s not what Israel wants. They’re greedy, they want more and more without even realising it’s the Palestinians who took them in following WWII and as antisemitism grew in Europe.

PS: let’s not call it a conflict, it’s a struggle and it’s genocide

Yea that’s a big problem in this world, the solutions exist, but they’re very hard to find. I too am struggling to find my own solutions to my questions

 

[stressedadfff]

Yes that would be great, however it is a bit hard and almost unbelievable when you’ve got countries like America, with Biden and Kamala Harris saying ‘we stand with Israel’ 20 million times in his speech, while also failing to recognise the atrocities that Israel is committing (not only America, other countries too).

And as @stressedadfff mentioned, that’s not what Israel wants. They’re greedy, they want more and more without even realising it’s the Palestinians who took them in following WWII and as antisemitism grew in Europe.

PS: let’s not call it a conflict, it’s a struggle and it’s genocide

They literally support the genocide, providing $38 billion to support Israeli military and the world covers its ears. i too hate donald trump, yet in his years of presidency he never sent any missiles to the middle east, as soon as this molester and pedo 'biden' becomes president his first acheivment is killing thousands of middle eastern civilians. Politics

 

[queenb_3]

They literally support the genocide, providing $38 billion to support Israeli military and the world covers its ears. i too hate donald trump, yet in his years of presidency he never sent any missiles to the middle east, as soon as this molester and pedo 'biden' becomes president his first acheivment is killing thousands of middle eastern civilians. Politics

Yeah I swear- you explained it greatly: the world covers it’s ears. I believe Trump did play his share in the Middle East, and he did send troops there. And facts, politics is a joke, it’s a game, and it’s literally just for the benefit of politicians themselves. Can’t believe Biden said Insha’Allah and suddenly people voted for him

 

[jimmysmith560]

i too hate donald trump, yet in his years of presidency he never sent any missiles to the middle east

Trump did, in addition to his predecessor Obama, send missiles or rather prepare direct attacks on the Middle East. While those did not target Palestine, the point is that the US attempted to attack (and in some cases did) the Middle East under Trump administration.

It doesn't really matter who governs the United States, their politics will remain the same. Biden is merely building on what can be considered a consistent American ideology (which Trump and Obama contributed to).

 

[stressedadfff]

Yeah I swear- you explained it greatly: the world covers it’s ears. I believe Trump did play his share in the Middle East, and he did send troops there. And facts, politics is a joke, it’s a game, and it’s literally just for the benefit of politicians themselves. Can’t believe Biden said Insha’Allah and suddenly people voted for him

RIGHTTTT??! its so sad, trump was just more upfront about his views which i respect but biden shares the same political views yet is praised. Did we forget he molests children. Gross. dONT GET ME STARTED WITH kamala Harris, some ppl i know only supported her because of her indian heritage and get mad when you show the role she plays. equally disgusting.

 

[nilatar]

Trump did, in addition to his predecessor Obama, send missiles or rather prepare direct attacks on the Middle East. While those did not target Palestine, the point is that the US attempted to attack (and in some cases did) the Middle East under Trump administration.

It doesn't really matter who governs the United States, their politics will remain the same. Biden is merely building on what can be considered a consistent American ideology (which Trump and Obama contributed to).

IMO, all the US has ever contributed to war is the augmentation of it.

 

[jimmysmith560]