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[Frigid]

from SMH today

Students flocking to private unis
By Matthew Thompson, Higher Education Reporter
January 7, 2005

Demand for private universities has surged even as student interest in public institutions has fallen, and is expected to jump higher this year as private fee-paying students become eligible for government loans.

Enrolment in NSW universities dropped by more than 5 per cent from 2003 to 2004 and was static nationwide, but Australia's two main private universities have recorded strong growth.

Student numbers at the University of Notre Dame, which is Fremantle-based but opens next year in Sydney, increased by almost a quarter from 2003 to 2004, adding about 670 students to its books.

Bond University on the Gold Coast experienced an 18 per cent rise, with about 620 more students on campus.

There was a 15 per cent drop in student numbers at the University of Western Sydney, and a 2.5 per cent increase at Macquarie University and the University of Technology, Sydney.

The University of Sydney recorded a 1.6 per cent drop, and enrolment at the University of NSW fell by almost 4 per cent.

Many public universities have been reducing their intake to eliminate the widespread practice of enrolling above their funding quotas, but figures released by the Universities Admissions Centre last month show that fewer people are applying for undergraduate study.

Marginally fewer year 12 students applied to enter university in 2005 than did the year before. Mature age applications fell by almost 6 per cent.

However, the executive director of Notre Dame's Sydney campus, Peter Glasson, said the Catholic university's "big growth area" was Australian mature age students.

Notre Dame began in 1992 by offering only diplomas in education, adding programs gradually until 2001 when it began rapidly expanding its course offerings. Medicine will be offered in Fremantle this year, and at the university's planned Sydney campus in 2007.

Next year in Sydney it will offer law, business, teaching, nursing, and arts.

Nevertheless, Notre Dame was committed to a maximum of about 5000 students in Fremantle (up from about 3000 now), with the Sydney campus planned to rise to the same limit over the next 10 to 12 years, Mr Glasson said.

Notre Dame's pay-as-you-go fees are only marginally above the deferrable charges of public universities, but Mr Glasson said the Federal Government's new FEE-HELP scheme this year, which lends private students up to $50,000 towards their fees, is likely to boost demand even more.

The Vice-Chancellor of Bond University, Robert Stable, attributed the private boom to small class sizes, close relations with industry, an emphasis on the quality of undergraduate teaching, and a more flexible approach.

Bond offers a third semester over the summer when the public universities are on holidays, allowing "people who are particularly enthusiastic about getting out into the workforce" to cut a year from what would normally be a three-year degree, Professor Stable said.

A higher education policy analyst at Griffith University, Gavin Moodie, said private universities' strengths were that they were "smaller, they're more nimble, [and] they're more entrepreneurial".

Mr Moodie said their growth was part of "a general change in social views" that matched the increasing demand for private high schools.

this should be interesting for you 05, 06 kids

does anyone know the reputation and quality of UND and the other privates?

 

[inasero]

I'm personally a bit wary about the quality of the institution. But, I've been to the Freo campus personally and I must say it's nice- should give you an orgasm given your sandstone fetish Wenhui

 

[Shuter]

I'll tell you what's important now:

"Enrolment in NSW universities dropped by more than 5 per cent from 2003 to 2004 and was static nationwide, but Australia's two main private universities have recorded strong growth.

There was a 15 per cent drop in student numbers at the University of Western Sydney, and a 2.5 per cent increase at Macquarie University and the University of Technology, Sydney.

The University of Sydney recorded a 1.6 per cent drop, and enrolment at the University of NSW fell by almost 4 per cent."

Damnit it looks like I'll be stuck at UWS. Come on UTS Business courses, don't have your cut-offs go up!

 

[Lexicographer]

I've spoken to a number of UNDA students and they all speak very highly of the institution. From memory it is also highly recommended by the Good Unis guide, though I'm open to correction.

 

[PaulaG]

Ive been recommended by my teachers and peers to go to notre dame sydney since its small and very personal, just like my present high school, as in 30 people per class and teachers calling u up and reminding u to hand in asessments etc.
I want to study a combined degreee of commerce and arts next year but notre dame sydney is only offering 10 places which is very competitive. Not happy Jan

 

[Lexicographer]

i h€ard it has a good r€p.., th€yv€ s€nt m€ a shatload of pamphl€ts.. s€€ms good. th€ vari€ty of cours€s isnt hug€ y€t.. but h€y.

Ok are you using the euro symbol on purpose? Because that is REALLY annoying.

 

[velox]

So expensive

 

[melsc]

I was thinking of applying for their law course since they take other things into consideration...my careers advisor is all against it, but from the stuff they sent me the fees (for law at least) are only abt $500 more a year for law than a CSP

 

[braindrainedAsh]

The campus is TINY for UND Sydney!!!! Do you all know where it is.... you know St Benedict's Church on Broadway, basically it is the church which will still be used as a church, and there is one building behind it. Tiny! It backs on to UTS's Blackfriars campus.

Here is another article about it... it's a bit old, but has some more info.

http://www.reportage.uts.edu.au/stories/southside/pell.htm

 

[Lexicographer]

Ash your article is misinformed. Notre Dame in the US is a different, older, and much larger university to the one in Fremantle.

I won't comment on the other errors because they are subject to perception.

 

[melsc]

how many are they taking.. and how do u apply to notre dame?

They only take a small number of people, you have to apply directly through the uni, go to their website and you can get admission info and forms Its a lil more complicated, you need references and reports and stuff

 

[velox]

hmmm is this uni private? Where can i find its fees?

 

[santaslayer]

I've spoken to a number of UNDA students and they all speak very highly of the institution. From memory it is also highly recommended by the Good Unis guide, though I'm open to correction.

Yes, we all do.

See...?


http://community.boredofstudies.org...ead.php?t=81230


EDIT:http://community.boredofstudies.org/showthread.php?t=81230

(ignore 1st link)

 

[velox]

dead link santa

 

[xeuyrawp]

Another university that Sydney doesn't need.

I'd disagree, mate. Newer unis tend to have lower UAIs, and with all the people missing out, I'm for another uni in sydney.

 

[santaslayer]

dead link santa

Thanks man.

 

[MiuMiu]

Here is another article about it... it's a bit old, but has some more info.

http://www.reportage.uts.edu.au/stories/southside/pell.htm

Thats a really poorly written article, some bad spelling mistakes, really terrible misinformation, and halfway through it departs radically from the topic onto an attack on George Pell and the Catholic Church....its really...weird.

 

[Lexicographer]

UAI alone is not a good indicator at all, as evidenced by the various studies produced in recent years (there was a thread in this section a few months ago). I'd search for the thread but I don't care enough about the issue to pursue the point.

As for cloze passages...they're great for PBLs.

 

[Lexicographer]

Hmm I disagree about the potential. Remember my UAI?

And though I am an extreme exception, there are many others between me and the norm who have also "broken the mould" so to speak.

Can't comment on the use of cloze passages in law, since I've never been a law student or taken part in studies. I do wonder how it would affect the way people remember terminology though, since the subtle differences between two words can radically change the meaning of a statement - and Law is all about words.

 

[absolution*]

I think the same reasoning can be applied across the majority of faculties asqy.