Stuff the icj and anyone who stands by it (1 Viewer)

[liamkk112]

Nah the videos were AI generated, even the claims that babies were beheaded turned out to be pics of headless dogs from Russia.
There were vids released then deleted (on twitter) from the IDF themselves of soldiers dancing around a dead Palestinian boy in the river, but no one talks abt that…

alr then

all there is against hamas then is really the civilian kills but israel has done that way more than them (and seems to be purposeful)

 

[liamkk112]

The ABC has never been unbiased, but you people only complain in the rare instance the bias doesn't favour you

when has any media ever been unbiased (especially murdoch media in australia which basically always picks the liberals side in politics)

even if they are biased, someone being fired over reposting an official human rights watch post is pretty crazy lol

 

[nsw..wollongong]

alr then

all there is against hamas then is really the civilian kills but israel has done that way more than them (and seems to be purposeful)

I’d argue that the civilian kills done by Hamas is resistance to the Israeli oppression, it was only a matter of time before they were going to retaliate after years of displacement and war crimes

 

[liamkk112]

I’d argue that the civilian kills done by Hamas is resistance to the Israeli oppression, it was only a matter of time before they were going to retaliate after years of displacement and war crimes

valid but the question is does it justify doing so

though i think its unfair that the icj decision basically gave the reins and all the power to israel by not calling a ceasefire, if they actually cared about the civilians on both sides they would have done so

i think both sides are in the wrong to an extent as they have both killed a fair amount of innocent people, but i can understand the people of palestine as they have effectively been put into a position where their only real option is to go into war to do something about their issues, whereas with israel it feels like they are just bullying palestine and should have just given them their tiny strip instead of being greedy for a small piece of land

 

[nsw..wollongong]

valid but the question is does it justify doing so

though i think its unfair that the icj decision basically gave the reins and all the power to israel by not calling a ceasefire, if they actually cared about the civilians on both sides they would have done so

i think both sides are in the wrong to an extent as they have both killed a fair amount of innocent people, but i can understand the people of palestine as they have effectively been put into a position where their only real option is to go into war to do something about their issues, whereas with israel it feels like they are just bullying palestine and should have just given them their tiny strip instead of being greedy for a small piece of land

I personally think that this is the best solution:

 

[SylviaB]

when has any media ever been unbiased (especially murdoch media in australia which basically always picks the liberals side in politics)

even if they are biased, someone being fired over reposting an official human rights watch post is pretty crazy lol

They would be fired for posting scientific studies that disagree with the politically correct narratives of the abc too, but you wouldn't care, because this isn't about bias, it's about your political ideology

 

[SylviaB]

I’d argue that the civilian kills done by Hamas is resistance to the Israeli oppression, it was only a matter of time before they were going to retaliate after years of displacement and war crimes

Okay? Then don't turn around and act surprised when Israel retaliates

like seriously, anyone who celebrated October 7 and is surprised that Israel is responding how they are is a moron

You think israel was going to say "Oh, maybe you're right, we should leave Israel and let the palestinians have it. Thanks for opening our eyes!" ?

 

[SylviaB]

valid but the question is does it justify doing so

though i think its unfair that the icj decision basically gave the reins and all the power to israel by not calling a ceasefire, if they actually cared about the civilians on both sides they would have done so

i think both sides are in the wrong to an extent as they have both killed a fair amount of innocent people, but i can understand the people of palestine as they have effectively been put into a position where their only real option is to go into war to do something about their issues, whereas with israel it feels like they are just bullying palestine and should have just given them their tiny strip instead of being greedy for a small piece of land

Muslims violently conquered the most of the countries in which they are a majority - should Christians, Hindus and Buddhists get to murder them too?

 

[nsw..wollongong]

Okay? Then don't turn around and act surprised when Israel retaliates

like seriously, anyone who celebrated October 7 and is surprised that Israel is responding how they are is a moron

You think israel was going to say "Oh, maybe you're right, we should leave Israel and let the palestinians have it. Thanks for opening our eyes!" ?

No one is surprised that Israel is attaching metal shards to their missiles to annihilate anyone and anything that comes in its path, it’s rather expected. Mind u it was never the case of “letting Palestinians have it”, it’s about giving the land BACK. Coincidentally, your words resemble that of Captain Cook sympathisers upon “discovering” native Australian land. It was always their land.

 

[SylviaB]

No one is surprised that Israel is attaching metal shards to their missiles to annihilate anyone and anything that comes in its path, it’s rather expected.

Oh? So Palestinians did something they would expect would result in tens of thousands of themselves being killed? Doesn't sound too bright.

Coincidentally, your words resemble that of Captain Cook sympathisers upon “discovering” native Australian land. It was always their land.

Arabs are not indigenous to the levant. Arabs are not indigenous to most countries they live in. They have a history of violent imperialism, and the only reason they or muslims generally never conquered Europe completely is because europeans resisted them. And let me tell you - if they did conquer europe, people like you wouldn't be sat around crying about how terrible it and how it's "euopean's land".

The idea they get to act like innocent little natives who oppose violence and respect sovreignity is a fucking joke. They happily butchered christians and non-arabs to spread islam to the middle east and north africa. They've literally NEVER been anti-violence, they're just bad that other people are much better at violence than they are.

 

[its_ace21]

Oh? So Palestinians did something they would expect would result in tens of thousands of themselves being killed? Doesn't sound too bright.



Arabs are not indigenous to the levant. Arabs are not indigenous to most countries they live in. They have a history of violent imperialism, and the only reason they or muslims generally never conquered Europe completely is because europeans resisted them. And let me tell you - if they did conquer europe, people like you wouldn't be sat around crying about how terrible it and how it's "euopean's land".

The idea they get to act like innocent little natives who oppose violence and respect sovreignity is a fucking joke. They happily butchered christians and non-arabs to spread islam to the middle east and north africa. They've literally NEVER been anti-violence, they're just bad that other people are much better at violence than they are.

why u bringing religion into this

 

[nsw..wollongong]

Oh? So Palestinians did something they would expect would result in tens of thousands of themselves being killed? Doesn't sound too bright.



Arabs are not indigenous to the levant. Arabs are not indigenous to most countries they live in. They have a history of violent imperialism, and the only reason they or muslims generally never conquered Europe completely is because europeans resisted them. And let me tell you - if they did conquer europe, people like you wouldn't be sat around crying about how terrible it and how it's "euopean's land".

The idea they get to act like innocent little natives who oppose violence and respect sovreignity is a fucking joke. They happily butchered christians and non-arabs to spread islam to the middle east and north africa. They've literally NEVER been anti-violence, they're just bad that other people are much better at violence than they are.

Did you really expect Palestinians to stay silent and be okay with years of oppression and denial of basic human rights? Ur sounding a little hypocritical rn Sylvia there’s no way u expected them to sit still while they were getting pushed around like puppets.

On another note, Israeli Jews claim their right to Palestinian land thru descent from Abraham. wtf are Palestinians then… Christians and Muslims. They too are descendants of Abraham. Not only do Arabs have a history of Imperialism, but so do the French, Ottomans and the English. wtf is your point? I don’t see you commenting on how bad the French abused the Algerians or how the British manipulated the Iraqis. This isn’t a competition of who colonised the worst. You’re missing the entire point of the argument to end the occupation and instil a ceasefire.

 

[liamkk112]

Muslims violently conquered the most of the countries in which they are a majority - should Christians, Hindus and Buddhists get to murder them too?

Oh? So Palestinians did something they would expect would result in tens of thousands of themselves being killed? Doesn't sound too bright.



Arabs are not indigenous to the levant. Arabs are not indigenous to most countries they live in. They have a history of violent imperialism, and the only reason they or muslims generally never conquered Europe completely is because europeans resisted them. And let me tell you - if they did conquer europe, people like you wouldn't be sat around crying about how terrible it and how it's "euopean's land".

The idea they get to act like innocent little natives who oppose violence and respect sovreignity is a fucking joke. They happily butchered christians and non-arabs to spread islam to the middle east and north africa. They've literally NEVER been anti-violence, they're just bad that other people are much better at violence than they are.

sounds like all colonisers, lets not forget how france and britain still control all of africa's economy and how most european countries have a long history of brutally murdering the countries they colonise

basically every religion or country probably has a past or present of taking advantage of other countries or religions, thats not exclusive to middle eastern or muslim people, nor does it make it okay when the western world does so

 

[SylviaB]

why u bringing religion into this

Why do you think muslims around the world are raging over gaza? They're just unusually compassionate people (who weirdly don't care about causes that affect non-muslims)?

 

[cosmo 2]

most of the palestinians are probably just jews who converted to islam

they're pretty much genetically identical to most jewish populations or at least the mizrahri jews who never left the area either and didn't pick up genetic inputs from other populations like ethiopia or europe

 

[SylviaB]

Did you really expect Palestinians to stay silent and be okay with years of oppression and denial of basic human rights? Ur sounding a little hypocritical rn Sylvia there’s no way u expected them to sit still while they were getting pushed around like puppets.

I'm literally asking why you or anyone else thinks Oct 7 is a good thing if the expecation from day one was that israel comes down on gaza like a tonne of bricks?

On another note, Israeli Jews claim their right to Palestinian land thru descent from Abraham. wtf are Palestinians then… Christians and Muslims.

???

Abraham was jewish

Jews claim to be descended from him

How are arabs supposed to fit into that, exactly?

Not only do Arabs have a history of Imperialism, but so do the French, Ottomans and the English. wtf is your point? I don’t see you commenting on how bad the French abused the Algerians or how the British manipulated the Iraqis. This isn’t a competition of who colonised the worst. You’re missing the entire point of the argument to end the occupation and instil a ceasefire.

European colonisation is almost universally regarded as bad thing. School kids in Britain get told about how evil their country was was colonisation. European people get told they must endure endless third world immigration as punishment for colonisation. Oh, and the UK voluntarily relinquished the majority of their colonial territories. When did Arabs ever do that?

Arabs feel ZERO guilt over imperialism. Not only that, they celebrate it. They think its great, and they think the fact that they haven't been able to conquer the whole world is a grave injustice.

But then when they get a taste of their own medicine in palestine, they cry about it and talk about "MUH LAND" as if any arab in history respected the sovereignty of any foreign people

You know, just as long as we're going back in time to justify stuff

 

[SylviaB]

sounds like all colonisers

Do arabs brainwash their children into hating themselves for arabs' history of imperialism?

, lets not forget how france and britain still control all of africa's economy

They don't "control all of their economy". Some countries have French currency - those are the countries that DON'T have a history of debasing their currency until it's worthless.

The west doesn't control Africa's economy - they prop it up. As poor as Africa is, it would be so much poorer without the west. If Europe cut Africa off, they would starve, they would have no medicine or medical supplies and their economies would collapse.

and how most european countries have a long history of brutally murdering the countries they colonise

I don't know how you "murder" a country

But the striking thing about European colonisation is precisely how non-violent it was

Compare it to arab imperialism, ottoman imperialism, mongol imperialism etc. and it's much more peaceful. It's even more peaceful than africa was before colonisation and after.

One of the most violent colonies in African history was Belgian congo, but almost all of the violence was committed by the congolese against other congolese. They got given guns, and they used to them to wage violent ethnic vendettas against their enemies. So it was the blacks doing the murdering, not the whites.

In India, the MUSLIM invaders killed and enslaved tens of millions (or more) hindus, and the bloodshed stopped only once the British Raj was established.

basically every religion or country probably has a past or present of taking advantage of other countries or religions, thats not exclusive to middle eastern or muslim people, nor does it make it okay when the western world does so

If arabs support violent conquest and feel ZERO guilt for it, why should the Israelis be any different?

. You’re missing the entire point of the argument to end the occupation and instil a ceasefire.

October 7 didn't instill a ceasefire - it caused more violence in gaza than at any point in history.

How exactly was this supposed to lead to an end of occupation?

 

[cosmo 2]

why do you think OP to ICJ was going to order a ceasefire it doesn't have the authority to do that

the ICJ is a civil court and the point of the decision wasn't to establish that war crimes have been committed by israel (which they probably have been) but to confirm the potential for future proceedings to determine that

 

[nsw..wollongong]

Why do you think muslims around the world are raging over gaza? They're just unusually compassionate people (who weirdly don't care about causes that affect non-muslims)?

This isn’t a religious issue it’s a humanitarian one, many of those protesting for a ceasefire aren’t even Muslim nor Arab. Myself included

 

[nsw..wollongong]

By everyone else’s logic, Palestinians should’ve twiddled their thumbs while their houses and schools were being bombed. Okay