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LazyBoy
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oh i agree generator. everyy ALP meeting turns into a bag hillsong church meeting for a while.
Yes steriotypes are largely a warped construction, but there foundations are truthful. Like the gay steriotype is a emphatic view of flamboyant gays. Steriotypes tend to focus on the worst, or most in your face type of people its targeting. From the greater west, the westie steriotype is doing the same. There are people out there like it, many of them. i know they are only in a few socio eco dis suburbs.
Im the first to admit im basing my argument on personal experience and steritypes. Only because i dont have all that much statistics on it, which i could get but who could really be fucked when this is nothing more then a discussion on a forum.
Generator if you are from the west, well the greater west my apologies i in know way mean to insult you. I will reiterate that i recognise that there are some good people even in the worst of areas. Same as there are bad people in the best of areas.
Just for the record I AM NOT a born again christian of the North West. In fact i get into many arguments with the born again christians. (not discussions like this one, where i sort of agree with the opposing opinions) but serious arguments. Ive got big problems with hill song and the ammount of money they take in, compared to how they spend it. but thats a whole other thread.
Yes steriotypes are largely a warped construction, but there foundations are truthful. Like the gay steriotype is a emphatic view of flamboyant gays. Steriotypes tend to focus on the worst, or most in your face type of people its targeting. From the greater west, the westie steriotype is doing the same. There are people out there like it, many of them. i know they are only in a few socio eco dis suburbs.
Im the first to admit im basing my argument on personal experience and steritypes. Only because i dont have all that much statistics on it, which i could get but who could really be fucked when this is nothing more then a discussion on a forum
. Generator if you are from the west, well the greater west my apologies i in know way mean to insult you. I will reiterate that i recognise that there are some good people even in the worst of areas. Same as there are bad people in the best of areas.
Just for the record I AM NOT a born again christian of the North West. In fact i get into many arguments with the born again christians. (not discussions like this one, where i sort of agree with the opposing opinions) but serious arguments. Ive got big problems with hill song and the ammount of money they take in, compared to how they spend it. but thats a whole other thread.
LazyBoy
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classic1Time4thePpl said:you meant drive-by!
How truthful? As I said, stereotypes are based on a warped sense of reality, for if they weren't they would not be stereotypes.LazyBoy said:Yes steriotypes are largely a warped construction, but there foundations are truthful. Like the gay steriotype is a emphatic view of flamboyant gays. Steriotypes tend to focus on the worst, or most in your face type of people its targeting. From the greater west, the westie steriotype is doing the same. There are people out there like it, many of them. i know they are only in a few socio eco dis suburbs.
Im the first to admit im basing my argument on personal experience and steritypes. Only because i dont have all that much statistics on it, which i could get but who could really be fucked when this is nothing more then a discussion on a forum
Generator if you are from the west, well the greater west my apologies i in know way mean to insult you. I will reiterate that i recognise that there are some good people even in the worst of areas. Same as there are bad people in the best of areas.
Statistics are easily manipulated by both sides and often fail to truly consider the reality, so don't bother.
No matter the way you frame your argument, I still find it highly offensive. Don't bother with apologising, because it is quite clear that your views are not going to change, however pathetic they may be.
LazyBoy
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I grew up experiencing an incredibly hard time in the west. particulary the area im talking about. Family, friends and personal experiences of the area has left the 'westie' steriotype firmly intrenched in my brain. But truama does have weird affects on the mind. lol.
Although i cannot beleive that you can say that the people who match the 'westie' definition to a T dont exist in those areas. Because that is (for the most part) all ive ever met in those areas. Hence my negative opinon of the area. And it is not your place to judge my opinion on an area as pathetic. Its not like im some northern suburbs dickhead whos never been in the west. In fact, i spent half my life living in the greater west. Then the second half of my life visiting relatives in the greater west. So i do beleive that im in a position to consider the reality of the situation.
Although i cannot beleive that you can say that the people who match the 'westie' definition to a T dont exist in those areas. Because that is (for the most part) all ive ever met in those areas. Hence my negative opinon of the area. And it is not your place to judge my opinion on an area as pathetic. Its not like im some northern suburbs dickhead whos never been in the west. In fact, i spent half my life living in the greater west. Then the second half of my life visiting relatives in the greater west. So i do beleive that im in a position to consider the reality of the situation.
i dont think he needs to apologise. I doubt he's sorry to offend the place you live at, considering he lives in a similar location. Just don't go crying back to the yobbos armed with knives on your street. that might be dangerous.
Are there flamboyant gays?
Yes, lots of them.
Are there lots of the stereotypical westies in the west?
Yes, lots of them.
Are there flamboyant gays?
Yes, lots of them.
Are there lots of the stereotypical westies in the west?
Yes, lots of them.
LazyBoy
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yeah tahts my point. im not saying the entire area is like that. Im just saying i beleive steriotypes are rooted in some truth. they are not a representation of a total area, group etc. but it is a representation that is accurate in some part. Society is simply too diverse, steriotypes are created based on the large proportion of that group etc.
With that said, i still will apologise simply because i in no way wish to offend anyone. this is just a simple discussion, there is no need to offend or be offended.
With that said, i still will apologise simply because i in no way wish to offend anyone. this is just a simple discussion, there is no need to offend or be offended.
Not-That-Bright
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I think you'd get picked on no matter where you lived.
You can't "appologise even tho i don't mean it". And it's not a simple discussion, you're claiming that most people you've met from the west are as the stereotype makes them out to be, you're wrong.
You've obviously got some sorta superiority issues.
You can't "appologise even tho i don't mean it". And it's not a simple discussion, you're claiming that most people you've met from the west are as the stereotype makes them out to be, you're wrong.
You've obviously got some sorta superiority issues.
LazyBoy
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im not appologiseing even though i dont mean it. I do not wish to insult anyone from the west by saying they are like that. ive said many are, in fact im saying most i have met are. And how can you say that most people i have met dont meet the steriotype? you dont me or the life i lived. i spent the first 13 years of my life living in the west. I stand by my affirmation that most the people imet out that way were violent, insensitive, unintelligent and uncultured.
I do not have superiority issues, exept for when it comes to people who are violent. The shit i saw as a kid, and the shit ive seen and heard about when visiting relatives is utterly disgusting. I will, for the last time reiterate that i do not beleive that all people from the that part of the west are like that. Its just in certain areas many area.
I do not have superiority issues, exept for when it comes to people who are violent. The shit i saw as a kid, and the shit ive seen and heard about when visiting relatives is utterly disgusting. I will, for the last time reiterate that i do not beleive that all people from the that part of the west are like that. Its just in certain areas many area.
Not-That-Bright
Andrew Quah
You definately do have superiority issues...
"violent" - wow i've never met violent rich snobs from sydney
"insensitive" - oh i'm sorry, did we hurt ur feelings? ever thought that maybe u were just going through your early teens and everyone gets shit in their early teens.
"unintelligent" - if people out west are slightly less intelligent, they're not that much less intelligent that you can call them "unintelligent".
"uncultured" - wtf? you were only 13 when u LEFT! what sort of culture were you after? people to go to see the power rangers movie with you?
"violent" - wow i've never met violent rich snobs from sydney
"insensitive" - oh i'm sorry, did we hurt ur feelings? ever thought that maybe u were just going through your early teens and everyone gets shit in their early teens.
"unintelligent" - if people out west are slightly less intelligent, they're not that much less intelligent that you can call them "unintelligent".
"uncultured" - wtf? you were only 13 when u LEFT! what sort of culture were you after? people to go to see the power rangers movie with you?
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jhakka
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Is there an invisible line that makes the west uncultured, etc? If so, I want the page and grid number from a well known street directory so I can see how dumb I really am (how close I am to the line) and whether I should actually be at USyd (if I'm cultured enough).
LazyBoy
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the incultured part i was talking more on my experiences when i go visit relatives in my druitt penrith way now days. yes there are violent idiots all over sydney. and i look down upon them all. As most pacifists should. that was merely a repsonse to your previous comment about my "surperiority complex". im not saying that this is soley something of the west. its not. t jhakka im not saying people from the west are all uncultured. Now your just putting words in my mouth. Im just describing many of the people i came across while visitng and living in the werst okay.Not-That-Bright said:You definately do have superiority issues...
"violent" - wow i've never met violent rich snobs from sydney
"insensitive" - oh i'm sorry, did we hurt ur feelings? ever thought that maybe u were just going through your early teens and everyone gets shit in their early teens.
"unintelligent" - if people out west are slightly less intelligent, they're not that much less intelligent that you can call them "unintelligent".
"uncultured" - wtf? you were only 13 when u LEFT! what sort of culture were you after? people to go to see the power rangers movie with you?
God why is it people cannot stop a discussion turning into an argument. *sigh*
Not-That-Bright
Andrew Quah
Because you're insulting an entire area!
If i said "wow alot of people in sydney sure are jerks", i'd expect an argument!
If i said "wow alot of people in sydney sure are jerks", i'd expect an argument!
LazyBoy
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but alot of people in sydney are jerks. And it would be insulting if it isnt true. But people have even agreed that what im saying is largely true in areas such as Mt Druitt and its surounding areas. which are the areas im talking about here. Its not like im making unfounded claims. But the crime rate in the area speaks for itself. the reputation of the area speaks for itself. meh anyway. im sick of arguing, all i was after was a discussion i.e. a friendly exchange of different views.
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jhakka
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In all honesty, I think the city is just as scary as the west.
The west certinaly isn't as bad as it's made out to be (though I am aware that there are definitly bad suburbs), and it's certainly unfair to say that based on one person's experiences that the majority of those who live out west fit fully into the westie stereotype unless you have interviewed and experienced a day in the life of at least 51% of people who live in the west (meaning that if every single one of them fits the stereotype, then you are correct).
My suburb is certainly not one where you'll get stabbed if you make eye contact with someone (I imagine you'd see that more in the city... at day or night), though there are people who do fall under some parts of the westie stereotype (though definitely not the majority). I mean, there's a bloke across the road from me who goes up and down the street for hours at a time on his motorbike, or will sit there for three hours revving the engine with his idiot friends laughing about it.
That's beside the point. Being in an culturally diverse area, I would hardly say that a majority of the people fall under the westie stereotype, as there are so many different culures, religions, etc present. None of the people I socialise with fall under the westie stereotype and they are very intelligent people (which is kinda off topic, but shows that it's certainly unfair to judge everyone/a majority of people in the west based on a stereotype).
And so on.
I am aware of idiots in the west. I am aware of bad areas. I am also aware that unless you have been to every suburb, it is unfair to say that a majority of the people in the west are as you claim they are.
EDIT: To clarify, I live in the west. In between Fairfield and Liverpool.
The west certinaly isn't as bad as it's made out to be (though I am aware that there are definitly bad suburbs), and it's certainly unfair to say that based on one person's experiences that the majority of those who live out west fit fully into the westie stereotype unless you have interviewed and experienced a day in the life of at least 51% of people who live in the west (meaning that if every single one of them fits the stereotype, then you are correct).
My suburb is certainly not one where you'll get stabbed if you make eye contact with someone (I imagine you'd see that more in the city... at day or night), though there are people who do fall under some parts of the westie stereotype (though definitely not the majority). I mean, there's a bloke across the road from me who goes up and down the street for hours at a time on his motorbike, or will sit there for three hours revving the engine with his idiot friends laughing about it.
That's beside the point. Being in an culturally diverse area, I would hardly say that a majority of the people fall under the westie stereotype, as there are so many different culures, religions, etc present. None of the people I socialise with fall under the westie stereotype and they are very intelligent people (which is kinda off topic, but shows that it's certainly unfair to judge everyone/a majority of people in the west based on a stereotype).
And so on.
I am aware of idiots in the west. I am aware of bad areas. I am also aware that unless you have been to every suburb, it is unfair to say that a majority of the people in the west are as you claim they are.
EDIT: To clarify, I live in the west. In between Fairfield and Liverpool.
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LazyBoy
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yeah im aware of all this. its probably my mistake when ive been talking about the west, and westies im largely refering to the trouble areas of mt druitt and the immediate surounding areas. probably my bad, and careless mistake. all along ive been saying there are always exeptions. yes theres probably many exeptions. i know there are many really good suburbs in the west, again i dont deny this. (says the person slowly digging himself out of a really large dark hole..lol) But yeah its just my experience on living in two very different areas, the quality of life and people i meet and the way they treat myself and others have been very different in both areas. That is all im basing my argument on really.
I do want to take this time to thankyou jhakka for probably beeing the most level headed person in this debate of sorts.
But yeah the city is bad. But what city isnt?
I do want to take this time to thankyou jhakka for probably beeing the most level headed person in this debate of sorts.
But yeah the city is bad. But what city isnt?
LazyBoy
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i didnt start it... but i put the kindling on the fire. *naughty josh*
but i put the kindling on the fire. *naughty josh*
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I know some brilliant people from the western suburbs. not everyone there fits into your stereotypes.
I don't know why people feel they are superior based on where they live. There are good and bad people everywhere you go. upper class and lower class. either way, why does that make you, in sydney uni, feel you are better than people you don't know in UWS?
and thebach- if you are so upset about your card, say you lost it, pay more $ and you can get a 'credit card' one.
I don't know why people feel they are superior based on where they live. There are good and bad people everywhere you go. upper class and lower class. either way, why does that make you, in sydney uni, feel you are better than people you don't know in UWS?
and thebach- if you are so upset about your card, say you lost it, pay more $ and you can get a 'credit card' one.