Huge far-right, white supremacist rallies scheduled to be held across Australia on August 31st (4 Viewers)

[SylviaB]

Hey!! Kind reminder hate speech is kinda illegal in Australia!! You could in get some big trouble there miss. (◠‿・)—☆

Saying that Australians aren't inferior is hate speech? Interesting

 

[SylviaB]

Ah yes, shooting guns at defenceless women and children is a clear sign of superiority. Not to mention the men with their melee weapons.

They almost never did that, bozo. If you think the British rocked up to Australia and started killing everyone they saw, you are completely delusional. Mitochondrial DNA evidence shows that very few lineages have been lost and almost all violent deaths were in conflicts over land in which the violence was mostly initiated by aborigines (even if you think this is justified, it's categorically different to your insane view of the british wantonly shooting any aborigine they could find or something). In fact, it was aborigines who attacked the British on sight at the very start. They must have been a bunch of xenophobic bigots who didn't want to accept multiculturalism!

And guns weren't the main reason Europeans were able to build globe spanning empires anyway. I mean, European soldiers from 2500 years ago using only melee weapons would absolutely stomp aborigines.

And it's so hilarious seeing a muslim cry about conquest. You people have been engaging in brutal conquest for 1400 years and none of you have ever once pretended to feel bad about it. The only reason you never came close to conquering the world the way Europeans did was because you couldn't. And we know for certain than if you did, you would be celebrating this fact. And of course, you pretend to care about 'defenceless women', and yet the holy prophet of islam literally took women as slaves lmao Oh and of course, the aborigines you're so eagerly defending would often fighter against each other, and the winning side would take (as in, kidnap) the women from the losing side as wives. This is far worse than what the majority of

 

[qweeosh]

Firstly, that's mostly not what immigration is today.

Second, we need a lot construction workers, but they mostly aren't coming in because the government is in cahoots with the unions to prevent them having to compete with foreign workers.

Third, "they aren't taking up" mostly because wages aren't given a chance to rise to attract people because of immigrants. Australians will do any number of different jobs, and in a normal system wages adjust to move labor to where it's needed.



I mean for things that supposedly need doing by people permanently immigrating here, like aged care.



I've already explained why this is total bullshit. Immigrants aren't having significantly more kids than Australians, and if you grow the population through immigration of people who don't meaningfully increase the net birth rate (i.e. male immigrants), this INCREASES the dependency ratio over time and you will have even more old people that need to be maintained relative to young workers, which means immigration would have to increase indefinitely to provide enough young workers to care/pay for the ever increasing number of old people.

And there is no "ultimatum". This is not why we have so much immigration. We have immigration because it benefits financial and political interests. Australia's population without immigration isn't facing any kind of imminent collapse. It would peak and slowly decline, and would happen slowly enough that it could be managed, especially with technological advances that will allow countries to do more with less. But again, 'population collapse' isn't even the motivation for Australia's very high immigration rate.

Additionally, one of the main reason young Australians avoid or delay children is because they cannot afford to buy a house. They either have to rent a house or buy or rent an apartment. Housing unaffordability (buy or rent), uncertainty (renting) and housing density (apartments/units) all strongly predict low fertility. And the reason why houses are so scarce and so expensive is because the population has ballooned by millions of people in relatively short time.



Population growth has has a vastly greater impact on housing affordability and availability than foreign investors. The fact that they're "LIVING" in these houses is why it's so hard and expensive to buy a house. It's not something positive they're doing. And nobody's more againt foreign ownership than me, but they can only buy new properties, they can't buy up existing stock. And their ownership is often for themselves or their children to live in, so it's not even meaningfully different to immigrants consuming housing stock anyway, the thing you said wasn't a problem.



No dumb dumb. It's supposed to be a party for workers, as in AUSTRALIAN workers. Flooding the country with immigrants is BAD for Australian workers, which is why corporations support it, why property investors and developers support it etc. Why would wages ever meaningfully increase if you can just bring in a million people from India who will take the job at lower pay? It's making rich australians richer at the expense of everyone else, and Labor does it because they end up voting Labor.



How embarassing for all these hard-working foreigners that inferior Australians built a better country in a century or two than they and their ancestors could in thousands of years!



You cry about "racism" right after declaring Australians are lazy and inferior to immigrants. Fuck off lmao.



I wasn't aware if we were deciding to bring in more white people to use centerlink. You know, the way we bring in hundreds of thousands of immigrants a year?



The vast majority of all net tax revenue in Australia is generated by white Australians. And you think Sudanese immigrants are working hard and not collecting welfare? lmao



Ah yes, just imagine how poor us dumb lazy white Australians would be without an army of brown people delivering uber eats! They're truly the foundation of our economy!

How sad that billions of these people can't build countries worth staying in, but are magically the reason Australia is prosperous even though we were prosperous long before they got here!

 

[SylviaB]

Slightly off topic, but this is a really good point. I dont think that "money" or "cost" are primary factors for the declining birthrate in Australia. Looking at friends and family my theory is it is more to do with boredom or the lack thereof. Contrary to media opinion, a lot of young Australians are better off than previous generations. They earn good money, are more educated, have solid careers and more options for entertainment (holidays, hobbies etc). So for these people, children are more unappealing because they will take time/focus away from these things. In contrast, I think people who are less well off generally have less going on so having kids is an escape from the boredom. I look in my orbit (family, friends, acquaintances) and generally speaking, the people who dont want to have kids sit in a higher socio-economic bracket then the people who do have kids.

Even speaking from personal experience, my partner and I could easily afford kids, but Im not really sold on it simply because of the time commitment and the impact on my life overall. I have enough going on that I dont really feel the need for a kid.

This is just an observation, so take it with a grain of salt.

This is mostly not true, but like I already explained, it's irrelevant. Immigrants don't have a meaningfully higher birthrate, and certainly not after the first generation, some actually have lower birth rates. This makes the problems of an aging society worse in the long run. But again, this trivially isn't why Australia has so much immigration. And most people who say it is are just using it as a rationalization. In the next breath, they'll be hysterically proclaiming AI is going to take everyone's jobs, which of course means massive population growth will make things so much worse for Australia in such a scenario.

 

[SylviaB]

Tony stark saving the day once again!! ( ◜‿◝ )♡

Saving the day = spewing complete horseshit?

 

[SylviaB]

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Ah yes, the smiling chimp is a good representation of "WAHHHHH MUH RACISM!!! WAHHHH MUH SECOND CLASS CITIZEN!!! WE'RE LITERALLY SUPERIOR TO YOU LAZY PIECES OF SHIT WAHH!HH!!!"

 

[SylviaB]

Exactly, as well as spreading deadly diseases.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that they ever deliberately spread deadly diseases?

 

[qweeosh]

Ah yes, the smiling chimp is a good representation of "WAHHHHH MUH RACISM!!! WAHHHH MUH SECOND CLASS CITIZEN!!! WE'RE LITERALLY SUPERIOR TO YOU LAZY PIECES OF SHIT WAHH!HH!!!"

 

[SylviaB]

 

[qweeosh]

 

[Tony Stark]

They almost never did that, bozo. If you think the British rocked up to Australia and started killing everyone they saw, you are completely delusional. Mitochondrial DNA evidence shows that very few lineages have been lost and almost all violent deaths were in conflicts over land in which the violence was mostly initiated by aborigines (even if you think this is justified, it's categorically different to your insane view of the british wantonly shooting any aborigine they could find or something). In fact, it was aborigines who attacked the British on sight at the very start. They must have been a bunch of xenophobic bigots who didn't want to accept multiculturalism!

And guns weren't the main reason Europeans were able to build globe spanning empires anyway. I mean, European soldiers from 2500 years ago using only melee weapons would absolutely stomp aborigines.

And it's so hilarious seeing a muslim cry about conquest. You people have been engaging in brutal conquest for 1400 years and none of you have ever once pretended to feel bad about it. The only reason you never came close to conquering the world the way Europeans did was because you couldn't. And we know for certain than if you did, you would be celebrating this fact. And of course, you pretend to care about 'defenceless women', and yet the holy prophet of islam literally took women as slaves lmao Oh and of course, the aborigines you're so eagerly defending would often fighter against each other, and the winning side would take (as in, kidnap) the women from the losing side as wives. This is far worse than what the majority of

If I remember correctly, we are not discussing religion. We are discussing immigration. Read the title of the thread, if you have that skill.

 

[enoilgam]

This is mostly not true, but like I already explained, it's irrelevant. Immigrants don't have a meaningfully higher birthrate, and certainly not after the first generation, some actually have lower birth rates. This makes the problems of an aging society worse in the long run. But again, this trivially isn't why Australia has so much immigration. And most people who say it is are just using it as a rationalization. In the next breath, they'll be hysterically proclaiming AI is going to take everyone's jobs, which of course means massive population growth will make things so much worse for Australia in such a scenario.

It was more of an unconnected observation. Planning on any little Sylvias running around in the near future?

 

[SylviaB]

If I remember correctly, we are not discussing religion. We are discussing immigration. Read the title of the thread, if you have that skill.

Yes dumb dumb, we're discussing immigration, and then you started talking a bunch of nonsense about 'defenceless women and children'.

 

[SylviaB]

It was more of an unconnected observation. Planning on any little Sylvias running around in the near future?

I recommend reading this: https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2023/12/fertility-questions-the-role-of-population-density/

What you've said cannot explain global declines in fertility

 

[SylviaB]

White Australians are constantly told that 'you're immigrants too'. Well, that means that 'immigrants' colonized Australia, and aborigines violently attacked european 'immigrants' the moment they set foot in Australia. Are these 'immigrants' good too? Or do they only count as 'immigrants' when its convenient?

 

[Socialism]

Are these 'immigrants' good too? Or do they only count as 'immigrants' when its convenient?

is it just me or have you accidentally politically-horseshoed

maybe it's just me idk

 

[SylviaB]

is it just me or have you accidentally politically-horseshoed

maybe it's just me idk

I don't consider Australia's settler as 'immigrants'

But the people who do also believe that immigrants are good. So by their logic, are these european immigrants good too?

 

[enoilgam]

is it just me or have you accidentally politically-horseshoed

maybe it's just me idk

I love this theory.

But the people who do also believe that immigrants are good. So by their logic, are these european immigrants good too?

Another weird anecdote, but in the HR/Recruitment game I see a lot of immigrants from the UK/Ireland (like, they are a very prominent part of the industry). Never understood why, because the industry should have enough domestic grads (and I do think they take jobs from locals).

Like immigrants 100% have their place, but I do think as you said before we need to be smarter. Like say if industry was telling me "we need more immigrants for HR roles", Id be saying to industry if you can show me a close to full graduate employment rate for HR grads, then Ill consider it.

 

[Slayon]

Saying that Australians aren't inferior is hate speech? Interesting

0/10 rage bait - not unique at all. If you plan of twisting your words at least don't make it obvious.

 

[enoilgam]

Like immigrants 100% have their place, but I do think as you said before we need to be smarter. Like say if industry was telling me "we need more immigrants for HR roles", Id be saying to industry if you can show me a close to full graduate employment rate for HR grads, then Ill consider it.

Building on from this, but back in the day I wanted to do Med. I remember in 2011, there were maybe 2000 medical school places available in Australia, but in the same year we imported more foreign doctors than that number. Anyway, there was an argument about this on BoS and someone called me racist for saying this was grossly unfair and more opportunities should be created for people born here. To that, another BoSer replied "Yeh because it is totally not racist to take doctors from 3rd world countries where they are actually needed so they can treated 60 year old bogans with diabetes and a pack a day smoking habit". Probably my all time favourite BoS quote.

My point is, I think immigration is essential and I dont think cutting it down completely is the magic fix people think it will be. That said, it is badly broken and wanting to debate the issue isnt inherently racist.