Fatties have right to extra airline seat (3 Viewers)

[Serius]

When someone can show some kind of proof (like an article from a medical journal or something) that most morbidly obese people have not largely inflicted their fat upon themselves, then I might change my view on this (being, that if they need an extra seat they can damn well pay for it). I've been looking but I haven't found anything so maybe people with medical skillz can dig up an answer, idk.

Anyway, whether its your fault or not, if you need an extra/different service for any reason, then I don't really think its fair to expect other people who don't have the same needs as you to bear the cost. Life isn't fair.

Thats what our society is based on though, we help those who have needs, its what our whole hospital system is about, we all pay a certain amount [i think 1% of our gross income as tax] and that covers the medical costs of everyone. I am sure there are many people on here who have never been to hospital, and then there may be others who have sustained injures from a drunk driving accident who needs dozens of surgeries to get a better quality of life...is it fair that the person who isnt sick has to pay for the drunk driving idiot who causes this injury to himself?
well i would say it is, its our duty as humans to look after the sick, its not like anyone would leave them on the side of the road to die.

Its funny how anti socialist many people are on here but then can look at socialist aspects of our society and be fine with it....its the exact same system.

 

[Rockyroad]

If we subsidise airline seats, then we will become enablers and this does not help their quest to not be fat. lol

As if anyone hates fat people? Where did you come up with this retarded hypothesis? When +50% of the population are fat, it doesn't matter if people hate them because they are the majority anyway. Everyone knows that people are fat because they dont eat right and dont exercise enough. That is it. Why dont they eat right? Because they are lazy. Why dont they exercise enough? Because they are lazy. Its very simple. Obviously other factors come into play such as stress, food advertising etc but 50% of the population manage to overcome this so why cant fatties?

Also isn't there a link between lower socio-economic class and obesity/overweight people? Poor people are more likey to be fat?

"As if anyone hates fat ppl? Where did you come up with this retarded hypothesis?"

I got that impression from posts such as these:

Mostly your own retarded fault you're a fatcunt

you choose to stuff your face everyday, deal with it bitch

You should pay if you want a seat for your self inflicted fat!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebuchanezzar
Im obese and im personally offended by many of the replies in this thread. Ive had to deal with prejudice and judgement all my life from my glandular problem, and only now am I recieving the equal opportunity and support that ought to be afforded to me. Thank goodness that Canada is willing us the extra seat to make our lives a little closer to the quality enjoyed by citizens of normal carriage.


responded by - 'hey fatty boom boom...'

everyone else has to pay more for the fatties.

‘Fat people should kill themselves for being such a disgusting burden on everyone.

Or just lose some weight idk.’

Your mammas so fat, she has her own gravitational pull.

Fat is an addiction. They should be forced to get the fuck off that plane and go to fat rehab.

exactly. put down that fucking cheese burger and get on the treadmill you fat shits.

They made pigs out of themselves and decide to cry about it. The plane is too squashy? go find another mode of transport. Or actually get healthy and lose weight. No one is forcing them to go via plane. No one forced them to be fucking fat. It's their fault.

Sam, making the seats bigger to accomodate a larger proportion of the population will increase costs more than letting fat cunts have

The fatty fats should have to walk/run/swim to their destination to loose some of that lard,

What a suprise that a person who named itself rockyroad said that

Lol shes a massive fat cunt too. Irony.

fatties.

They should be treated the same as pedophiles IMO, they have a disease, obesity needs to be eradicated.

Oh my god fat peoples are so annoying and shit. It's like, 'could you take up any more space?"

If fat peoples laziness came out there asses then they wouldnt be fat. Think about that.

 

[katie tully]

hahahaha those quotes together are amazing

we need to compile a book

 

[katie tully]

Some interesting info.

During the past decade, several authors from the United States and the United Kingdom have suggested that the obesity epidemic has occurred despite minimal or no increase in per capita energy intake and/or energy from the food supply.1,2 This has been described as the “American paradox”,2 and cited as evidence that the obesity epidemic is due to decreased physical activity and not to changes in eating patterns.3
There are dangers inherent in this viewpoint. According to the International Obesity Taskforce (IOTF), the food industry seeks to focus on inactivity and promote sports to divert attention from the role of foods and drinks.4,5 The IOTF asserts that the causes of the obesity epidemic are twofold: an abundance of energy-dense foods and drinks, leading to a pervasive “passive over-consumption” of energy; and an environment that limits opportunities for physical activity, leading to an almost universal sedentary state.4
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An increase in energy supply and consumption has made a major contribution to the obesity epidemic. It is probable that population physical activity level has also decreased, as both a cause and a consequence of the obesity epidemic. There are many other benefits of physical activity and healthy eating besides weight management, and both physical activity and nutrition must be addressed together to improve the health of all Australians.
This requires multistrategy interventions across a range of sectors, including food producers, manufacturers, wholesalers, retailers, restaurateurs, caterers, transporters, advertisers, urban planners, employers, sporting associations, the fitness industry, community groups, the media, and policymakers at all levels of government, in addition to interventions in schools.
A national, coordinated, systematic approach to monitoring overweight and obesity, dietary intake and physical activity is essential to both inform and evaluate interventions. Key evidence-based interventions to address childhood obesity through improved nutrition and increased physical activity are outlined in the National Obesity Taskforce report Healthy weight 2008 — Australia’s future.

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/181_09_011104/stu10428_fm.html

Health inequalities related to overweight and obesity are evident. There is a higher incidence of overweight and obesity in children of parents of particular backgrounds,3 and maternal education is the strongest social determinant of overweight and obesity in childhood.4 Although there are limited national data, and combined New South Wales, Victorian and National Nutrition datasets1 failed to find a rural/urban difference, Victorian epidemiological data show a statistically significant, higher proportion of overweight and obese boys in metropolitan areas, but this difference was not found for girls
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Some simple trends suggest relatively amenable remedies. Children's fruit and vegetable consumption has decreased over the past 20 years. Their physically active time has also decreased, while time spent in sedentary activities such as television watching and computer games has increased. Finally, consumption of energy-dense foods (including sweet soft-drinks and snack bars with a high sugar content) has increased. Possible remedies include:
 parental education strategies regarding healthy food choices, activity options, obesity trends, as well as supportive behavioural change strategies;
 supportive policies and environments in the places children and families spend their time (child care, school, workplaces, home, local neighbourhoods); and
 prioritisation of free time for physical activities.
Evidence from controlled trials (although these trials are heterogeneous as regards the age groups and settings studied) highlights the potential for school-based programs that promote physical activity, modify dietary intake and reduce sedentary behaviours. However, recent qualitative research indicates that differences in outcomes will only be achieved if sustainable changes involve all generations, tackle the widely held beliefs regarding eating and activity,10 involve population-wide health promotion messages, and dispel myths such as children's overweight being just "puppy fat".
Further, there are environmental aspects that are well beyond an individual family's ability to modify, including:
 regulation of marketing of unhealthy food choices for children;
 provision of safe, cheap and accessible public transport; and
 urban planning initiatives that give priority to child-friendly and pedestrian-friendly environments.

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/178_09_050503/wat10857_fm-2.html

 

[katie tully]

Abstract

OBJECTIVE: To study the phenomenon that obese subjects show considerable individual variability in their reported relationships between eating and sensations of hunger and fullness. DESIGN: A laboratory study of the relationship between eating behaviour traits and the episodic oscillations in sensations of hunger and fullness in response to obligatory, fixed energy breakfast (481 kcal) and lunch (675 kcal) meals. SUBJECTS: Obese subjects were divided into two groups based on their responses to four 'screening' questions associated with their habitual experience of hunger and fullness sensations before and after eating: those who experienced sensations of hunger and fullness related to eating (Related-R; n=20, body mass index (BMI)=42.4 kg/m(2)) and those for whom eating was not related to hunger or fullness sensations (Unrelated - UR; n=19, BMI=41.3 kg/m(2)). In addition, a control, lean group (Control - C; n=14, BMI=22.6 kg/m(2)) who experienced sensations of hunger and fullness related to eating was studied. MEASUREMENTS: The Three-Factor Eating Questionnaire (TFEQ) was used to measure the eating behaviour traits, disinhibition, restraint and hunger. Profiles of subjective appetite sensations were continuously monitored across the day using visual analogue scales. RESULTS: All groups displayed clear meal-related oscillations in subjective sensations of hunger, fullness, desire to eat and prospective consumption. In contrast, the TFEQ disinhibition and hunger scores (but not restraint scores) were significantly different (P<0.05) between the groups ((UR; D=13.5+/-0.5, H=10.0+/-0.5), R (D 7.5+/-0.6, H 6.1+/-0.4), C(D 3.7+/-0.5, H 3.7+/-0.5)). In addition, analysis of the intra-meal changes in subjective appetite sensations revealed that the UR group displayed a smaller meal-induced suppression of hunger and elevation of fullness. CONCLUSION: These data indicate that the reported relationship between eating and hunger/fullness was associated with obese individuals showing high or low disinhibition scores. In addition, the data suggest that the processes underlying disinhibition may be associated with a modulation of the recognition of meal-related satiety sensations.

Characterization of obese individuals who claim to detect no relationship between their eating pattern and sensations of hunger or fullness

Barkeling, Britta and King, Neil A. and Naslund, Erik and Blundell, John E. (2007) Characterization of obese individuals who claim to detect no relationship between their eating pattern and sensations of hunger or fullness . International Journal of Obesity 31(3)p. 435-440.

 

[Pace_T]

i can totally see where rockyroad is coming from with her argument. i however dont think that feeling sorry for them is a sufficient basis for subsidising their airline ticket.

 

[katie tully]

i can totally see where rockyroad is coming from with her argument. i however dont think that feeling sorry for them is a sufficient basis for subsidising their airline ticket.

but der disabled!)&$(~

 

[boris]

"As if anyone hates fat ppl? Where did you come up with this retarded hypothesis?"

I got that impression from posts such as these:

Mostly your own retarded fault you're a fatcunt

you choose to stuff your face everyday, deal with it bitch

You should pay if you want a seat for your self inflicted fat!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebuchanezzar
Im obese and im personally offended by many of the replies in this thread. Ive had to deal with prejudice and judgement all my life from my glandular problem, and only now am I recieving the equal opportunity and support that ought to be afforded to me. Thank goodness that Canada is willing us the extra seat to make our lives a little closer to the quality enjoyed by citizens of normal carriage.


responded by - 'hey fatty boom boom...'

everyone else has to pay more for the fatties.

‘Fat people should kill themselves for being such a disgusting burden on everyone.

Or just lose some weight idk.’

Your mammas so fat, she has her own gravitational pull.

Fat is an addiction. They should be forced to get the fuck off that plane and go to fat rehab.

exactly. put down that fucking cheese burger and get on the treadmill you fat shits.

They made pigs out of themselves and decide to cry about it. The plane is too squashy? go find another mode of transport. Or actually get healthy and lose weight. No one is forcing them to go via plane. No one forced them to be fucking fat. It's their fault.

Sam, making the seats bigger to accomodate a larger proportion of the population will increase costs more than letting fat cunts have

The fatty fats should have to walk/run/swim to their destination to loose some of that lard,

What a suprise that a person who named itself rockyroad said that

Lol shes a massive fat cunt too. Irony.

fatties.

They should be treated the same as pedophiles IMO, they have a disease, obesity needs to be eradicated.

Oh my god fat peoples are so annoying and shit. It's like, 'could you take up any more space?"

If fat peoples laziness came out there asses then they wouldnt be fat. Think about that.

lol i cant believe you sat there and compiled all those quotes you sad cunt. Neb was trolling lol that was the funniest part.

"Fat people should kill themselves for being such a disgusting burden on everyone" - made me lol also

Not once did anyone say they hate fat people though, how strange?

 

[katie tully]

Children and obesity: a pan-European project examining the role of food marketing
European Journal of Public Health, Vol. 18, No. 1, 7–11

Background: Rising levels of obesity in school-age children across Europe are causing increasing concern. The ‘Children, Obesity and associated avoidable Chronic Diseases’ project sought to examine the effects of promotion within food marketing, given the influential role it plays in children’s diets. Method: A
questionnaire and data-collection protocol was designed for the national co-ordinators, facilitating standardized responses. Co-ordinators collected data from within 20 European Union countries relating to food promotion to children. Results: Results showed that unhealthy foods such as savoury snacks and confectionary were the most commonly marketed and consumed by children across all countries.
Television was found to be the prime promotional medium, with in-school and internet marketing seen as growth areas. Media literacy programmes designed specifically to counterbalance the effects of food marketing to children were reported by only a few of the 20 countries. An ineffective and incoherent
pattern of regulation was observed across the countries as few governments imposed tough restrictions with most preferring to persuade industry to voluntarily act with responsibly. Most health, consumer and public interest groups supported food marketing restrictions whilst industry and media groups advocated self-regulation. Conclusion: Recommendations include the amendment of the European
Union’s Television Without Frontiers Directive to ban all TV advertising of unhealthy food to children, the adoption of a commonly agreed European Union definition of an ‘unhealthy’ food, and the establishment of a mechanism for pan-European monitoring of the nature and extent of food marketing to children and its regulation.






tbh, this article didnt really tell me anything we didnt already know. i think it's safe to say that in Australia, unhealthy foods are the most commonly advertised ...

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

Thats what our society is based on though, we help those who have needs, its what our whole hospital system is about, we all pay a certain amount [i think 1% of our gross income as tax] and that covers the medical costs of everyone. I am sure there are many people on here who have never been to hospital, and then there may be others who have sustained injures from a drunk driving accident who needs dozens of surgeries to get a better quality of life...is it fair that the person who isnt sick has to pay for the drunk driving idiot who causes this injury to himself?
well i would say it is, its our duty as humans to look after the sick, its not like anyone would leave them on the side of the road to die.

Its funny how anti socialist many people are on here but then can look at socialist aspects of our society and be fine with it....its the exact same system.

Yeah I see what you're saying, I'm just not a fan of introducing measures to accommodate, not prevent/cure/stop obesity. I guess that's what annoys me about this airline seat idea. IMO it sends the message that its ok to be morbidly obese, we'll just give you two seats.

I do agree with your drunk driving example. But obesity makes me a little mad in that you do not just go from healthy weight --> monster overnight. It takes time, and I can't understand how people just let the weight creep on and on and on and on and on and never DO anything about it and then whine when they can't fit into a seat that accommodates just about everyone else as if we have the problem, not them.

If they're fat because of something they can't control i.e. hormonal problems or something then OK, fair enough, but where medicare is a 1% tax that covers everyone, which I'm fine with since most people will need medical care at some point in their lives, this airline idea is essentially putting up the price of airline tickets for everyone so that a minority can get a free seat because of a problem that most people are never going to have and which they likely brought on themselves. I'm not sure I'm ok with that.

 

[inasero]

I don't buy the argument of medical disorders preventing people from losing weight; yeah sure there's hypothyrodism, Prader Willi's, Cushing's and all that, but in the end they account for what, like 5% of the cases of obesity (speculative figure here). People should learn to take responsibility for their own actions and the majority of passengers shouldn't be penalised for it. But that said, more needs to be done to enable people who are overweight to achieve their potential, like improving public transport, increasing funding for sports and rec, legislating to limit fast/junk food advertising etc.

 

[boris]

I don't buy the argument of medical disorders preventing people from losing weight; yeah sure there's hypothyrodism, Prader Willi's, Cushing's and all that, but in the end they account for what, like 5% of the cases of obesity (speculative figure here). People should learn to take responsibility for their own actions and the majority of passengers shouldn't be penalised for it. But that said, more needs to be done to enable people who are overweight to achieve their potential, like improving public transport, increasing funding for sports and rec, legislating to limit fast/junk food advertising etc.

apparently you can't say that people should take responsibility for their actions bro, its mean.

 

[inasero]

So who's going to take responsibility for overweight then? There are only so many ways society can help people struggling with weight issues, it doesn't completely absolve them of their responsibility to look after themselves and I think it's a cop-out to suggest otherwise.

 

[jb_nc]

So who's going to take responsibility for overweight then? There are only so many ways society can help people struggling with weight issues, it doesn't completely absolve them of their responsibility to look after themselves and I think it's a cop-out to suggest otherwise.

perhaps jesus can

 

[boris]

So who's going to take responsibility for overweight then? There are only so many ways society can help people struggling with weight issues, it doesn't completely absolve them of their responsibility to look after themselves and I think it's a cop-out to suggest otherwise.

I was being facetious, i agree with you.

 

[inasero]

I know, judging by your posts in the other obesity thread. I was arguing against the sentiment of that PC statement.

 

[philosopher23]

Obese people are still active members in our society, especially now that 1 out of 3 adults are obese. They still have degrees, full time jobs and they help keep our economy going. They should be allowed to an extra plane seat but I believe that they would need to pay extra as well. I'm not sure why there appears to be so much controversy over this issue, because its not like they get it easy. They have to work jst as hard as everyone else, in some cases more to fight prejudices like "laziness". That might be the case for some but definitely not all. I agree with Rockyroad. We should try to rectify this situation, or at least compromise so that obese people aren't discriminated against, and average people don't feel like obese people are getting it all easy.

 

[Pace_T]

Obese people are still active members in our society, especially now that 1 out of 3 adults are obese. They still have degrees, full time jobs and they help keep our economy going. They should be allowed to an extra plane seat but I believe that they would need to pay extra as well. I'm not sure why there appears to be so much controversy over this issue, because its not like they get it easy. They have to work jst as hard as everyone else, in some cases more to fight prejudices like "laziness". That might be the case for some but definitely not all. I agree with Rockyroad. We should try to rectify this situation, or at least compromise so that obese people aren't discriminated against, and average people don't feel like obese people are getting it all easy.

also, you agree with rockyroad, yet you think they should pay for the seat? different views, but ok.

no one is discriminating against obese people. they use a larger portion of the airline service, and hence should pay for it. remember, the cost incurred to service an obese person (in two seats) is twice as much as it costs to service a regular sized person.
it is discrimination however, to everybody else if obese people get an extra seat. they are technically getting a 50% discount, based on the fact that they are overweight.

learn what discrimination is and then come back and argue your point.

 

[gibbo153]

i hope an appelate court's overturning is called the 'no fat chicks' precedent

 

[inasero]

This raises another important question. How do we define discrimination? What level of prejudice should be tolerated/accepted?