• Want to level up your HSC prep on those harder Maths questions?
    Register now for the BoS Trials (7th October)!

Question (1 Viewer)

shaon0

...
Joined
Mar 26, 2008
Messages
2,023
Location
Guess
Gender
Male
HSC
2009
What does a tangent to a parabola mean? Is it the right angle a parabola makes with a line?
 

bored of sc

Active Member
Joined
Nov 10, 2007
Messages
2,312
Gender
Male
HSC
2009
shaon0 said:
What does a tangent to a parabola mean? Is it the right angle a parabola makes with a line?
A tangent to a parabola is a straight line that touches a parabola only once.
 

shaon0

...
Joined
Mar 26, 2008
Messages
2,023
Location
Guess
Gender
Male
HSC
2009
Help needed:
c) A(0,3) and B(-2,1), Given these points. Find the locus of the point P(x,y) so that APB is a right angle.
 

kaz1

et tu
Joined
Mar 6, 2007
Messages
6,955
Location
Vespucci Beach
Gender
Undisclosed
HSC
2009
Uni Grad
2018
To find a tangent of a parabola differnetiate the equation of the parabola, sub in the x value of the point into the derivative which gives you the gradient of the tangent, then use the gradient in the point gradient formula where y-y1 = m(x-x1)
 

shaon0

...
Joined
Mar 26, 2008
Messages
2,023
Location
Guess
Gender
Male
HSC
2009
kaz1 said:
To find a tangent of a parabola differnetiate the equation of the parabola, sub in the x value of the point into the derivative which gives you the gradient of the tangent, then use the gradient in the point gradient formula where y-y1 = m(x-x1)
is the answer y-x-3=0. And you don't have to use calculus.
 

lolokay

Active Member
Joined
Mar 21, 2008
Messages
1,013
Gender
Undisclosed
HSC
2009
shaon0 said:
Help needed:
c) A(0,3) and B(-2,1), Given these points. Find the locus of the point P(x,y) so that APB is a right angle.
wouldn't it just be (x+1)^2 + (y-2)^2 = 2 ?
 

conics2008

Active Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2008
Messages
1,225
Gender
Male
HSC
2005
c) A(0,3) and B(-2,1), Given these points. Find the locus of the point P(x,y) so that APB is a right angle.

its a circle.

with eqution (x+1)^2 + (y-2)^2=2
 

12o9

Member
Joined
Mar 29, 2008
Messages
180
Location
Sydney
Gender
Male
HSC
2009
shaon0 said:
ok thanks. never thought of it that way.
np.
you could do it by finding the gradients of lines AP and BP and beucase its a right angle, they should multiply to give you -1 or using the distance formula, i think they all give the right answer.
 

lolokay

Active Member
Joined
Mar 21, 2008
Messages
1,013
Gender
Undisclosed
HSC
2009
shaon0 said:
ok thanks. never thought of it that way.
yeah just try and picture the point that moves at right angles to 2 points and it should jump out at you that "hey, it's a circle!"
 

3unitz

Member
Joined
Nov 18, 2006
Messages
161
Gender
Undisclosed
HSC
N/A
find the gradient of line AP:
mAP = (y - 3) / (x - 0)

find the gradient of line BP:
mBP = (y - 1) / (x + 2)

for angle APB to be a right angle both lines have to be perpendicular to each other. this implies:

mAP x mBP = - 1

(y - 3)(y - 1) / (x - 0)(x + 2) = - 1

y^2 - 4y + 3 = - (x^2 + 2x)

y^2 - 4y + 4 - 1 = - (x^2 + 2x + 1 - 1)

(y - 2)^2 - 1 = - [(x + 1)^2 - 1]

(y - 2)^2 + (x + 1)^2 = 2

locus is a circle radius sqrt 2, centered at (-1, 2), excluding the points A and B

the circle geometry method is a lot quicker as you can see from the messy math. always draw a neat sketch as sometimes there's quicker ways to get the equation from the geometry.
 

shaon0

...
Joined
Mar 26, 2008
Messages
2,023
Location
Guess
Gender
Male
HSC
2009
3unitz said:
a tangent is a line which "just touches" a parabola (or other curve) with a special type of gradient. the way you find the gradient of a tangent is by bringing 2 points closer and closer together:

View attachment 16750

if you calculate the gradient as the green line gets "really close" to the point, you get the gradient of the tangent at the point :)
Thanks. is that like calculus?
 

12o9

Member
Joined
Mar 29, 2008
Messages
180
Location
Sydney
Gender
Male
HSC
2009
When you differentiate an equation you are pretty much finding the tangent i believe :)
 

shaon0

...
Joined
Mar 26, 2008
Messages
2,023
Location
Guess
Gender
Male
HSC
2009
12o9 said:
When you differentiate an equation you are pretty much finding the tangent i believe :)
Ok. lol i don't know differentiation and integration yet :(
 

shaon0

...
Joined
Mar 26, 2008
Messages
2,023
Location
Guess
Gender
Male
HSC
2009
3unitz said:
that is calculus, yep :)

there are 2 main branches of calculus: differentiation and integration, both of which are closely related (fundamental theorem of calculus)

finding gradients of tangents comes under differentiation. integration encompasses finding areas and volumes (among a great deal of other things of course)

sites for introduction to differentiation:
http://www.maths.mq.edu.au/numeracy/web_mums/module3/Worksheet38/module3.pdf
http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~des/F11EP1/block4.pdf
Thanks for the links.
I'll post my answers for the first part in
http://www.maths.mq.edu.au/numeracy/...38/module3.pdf
 
Last edited:

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)

Top