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for those who haven't seen the news:

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HSC students warned uni cut-off scores may rise
By Matthew Thompson, Higher Education Reporter
September 3, 2003


University entrance scores are emulating Sydney's tearaway real estate market, with cut-off marks likely to jump for next year's intake.

Year 12 students should brace themselves for a steep rise in the Universities Admission Index (UAI), said Andrew Stanton, managing director of the Universities Admission Centre.

In a recent newsletter to HSC students, he warned that "competition for places will be fierce", and advised them to apply for lower ranked courses as a "safety net".

Should the cut-off marks rise significantly, many subjects will be climbing from a high base. From 2001 to 2002, the cut-off mark for a Bachelor of Arts jumped by up to 10 points at Macquarie University, the University of NSW, and the University of Sydney - where students last year needed a UAI of 80 out of 100, up from 70 in 2001.

Compounding the pressure, the University of Sydney, which is carrying 13 per cent more students than it receives full funding for, has decided to cut undergraduate enrolments next year by 10 per cent.

The universities are reducing "marginal" enrolments - those over and above the number of places fully funded by the Commonwealth. For each enrolment above its quota, a university gets about a quarter of full funding.

Labor's education spokeswoman, Jenny Macklin, said yesterday that "cut-off scores will skyrocket and thousands of school leavers will be turned away from courses that they are qualified to get into". This will happen, a statement from Ms Macklin said, because the Government is "forcing NSW universities to scale back nearly 7000 HECS [Higher Education Contribution Scheme] places in the next three years".

A spokesman for the federal Education Minister, Brendan Nelson, disagreed. "They're not even expected to start phasing out [over-enrolments] until 2005," the spokesman said. "The Commonwealth will be funding these places until 2008, when we will have created an additional 31,000 fully funded places [nationally]."

If the universities start phasing out over-enrolments next year, it may be because they are trying to reduce overcrowding, Dr Nelson's spokesman said, "which is addressed by the places created under the Government's [proposed] package."

However, not all HSC students are worried about the threat of higher cut-off scores, and reduced enrolments.

Kavita Bedford, 18, a Year 12 student at Fort Street High, recently completed works in drama, visual arts, and English, all counting towards her HSC.

"You get so bogged down in the work that you don't worry about the rest of it," she said. "I've looked at the uni scores, and some tend to go down a bit, but I don't really stress about it."

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so what does everyone else think?

this news is a real blow to me. while i know i can get a relatively high uai, (assuming i will work in the lead up to the hsc) it's going to be very hard for me to get anything higher than 97. and if all the cut-off's i want RISE... shit. they're all going to be well over 97. this is insane!! Arts, at 84, is supposed to be my FALL BACK. if that goes up another 10 points, i'm doomed. :(:(
 

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Yeh I'm pissed off, because I'm a povo, with limited hopes of reaching the high UAIs the courses I really want to do... and I can't afford the fee paying places...

Bah to the govt
 

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Yeh I know eh
and the schemes they try to initiate usually end up getting rorted, or helping people who dont need it

hmmm... looks like i will have to study harder than i ever have before to get into UNSW/UTS
 

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Well. Thats just shattered all my hopes and dreams.
Ah well, thats life I guess...
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fuck the fucking fuckers.. how much higher can 99.6 get.. i cant afford no fee paying bullshit.

talk about spreading inequality
 

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Originally posted by melbournian
And correct me if I am wrong, but Usyd's cuts to student numbers, are pending the Nelson reforms pass the upper house. Right?
Mmm, I think you're right there. But they're expecting the reforms to be passed...

It's a shame, really.
 

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wouldn't it be if some courses rise some will fall? after all its all about the demand of a course?

:apig: :chainsaw:
 

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yeah i think putting combined law at sydney as a preference would be pretty useless now.. so no one do it..
 

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Originally posted by Lazarus
But they're expecting the reforms to be passed...
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Nick, i assume you're trying for Law? it's sort of ridiculous how high the cut-off is there... far be it from me to make sweeping generalisations, but the only people i know who do law (at sydney) by way of HECs can barely look anyone else in the eye and havent exactly mastered verbal communication, thats for sure. it seems really strange that with a course like law, they wouldn't have some sort of exam or interview... the way it's going there's going to be a lot of BAD lawyers out there.

man, fuck howard. next thing you know we'll be America the second, charging 40 grand plus a year to attend second rate universities
 

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Originally posted by Lazarus
they're expecting the reforms to be passed...
yea, it's almost for sure isn't it?
geez, this really sucks. and we can't take a year off or we'd fall under the new hecs system. meh.
hmm, "cutoff scores will skyrocket".. well, that's not very comforting. but with a UAI of around 97, i wouldn't think you'd have any trouble finding something you'd like to do.
arts wouldn't jump up another 10 points, that'd be pretty ridiculous. i think this will affect the students who won't perform as well in the HSC more drastically than the kids at the top. i'm not saying it's right, but hmm yea.

Originally posted by Nick
fuck the fucking fuckers.. how much higher can 99.6 get.. i cant afford no fee paying bullshit.
hmm, cut-off for usyd law:
2000 99.05
2001 99.15
2002 99.4
2003 99.6
2004
do we see some sort of a trend? :p
 
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damn thats crazy.. surely itll hit some kind of asymptote.. go back down a bit cos not enuf ppl with mega UAIs want to do it..

its no good..
 

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what happens if the uai req. is set too high?

wouldnt it turn into like a discount sale in the late round? :p
 

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hmm, but isn't the cutoff high because stacks of people who want to do it got a high uai?

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the way it's going there's going to be a lot of BAD lawyers out there.
well, i guess law has always been a course that attracted the more academic students. it's not like this is something new..

man, fuck howard. next thing you know we'll be America the second, charging 40 grand plus a year to attend second rate universities
yea, university, australia branch

Originally posted by Nick
damn thats crazy.. surely itll hit some kind of asymptote.. go back down a bit cos not enuf ppl with mega UAIs want to do it..
well, if the asymptote is 100, that just means the cutoff will keep rising and never reach 100.
and i think a lot of people with or without mega UAIs want to do it, that's why the cutoff is so high. even the dean of the law faculty at usyd said it was ridiculous.
 

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dont think that could happen.. as uai cutoff is determined by the demand for the course..
 

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dont they have 50 people doing law? they couldnt have the cut off as 100, thats for sure. only 22 people GET 100 in the state. and im sure they wouldnt all want to do law.

im predicting it will end up at 99.8 this year
 

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i thought the uni cutoff was determined by the person with the lowest UAI that got into the course
 

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