LOL, yeah. I know. I'm automatically suscribed to all threads, and I cbb changing it atm.You do know that you don't have to get e-mail notifications for every thread you post in, right?
Edit: I feel sorry for Obama. His eye bags tell all.
LOL, yeah. I know. I'm automatically suscribed to all threads, and I cbb changing it atm.You do know that you don't have to get e-mail notifications for every thread you post in, right?
Really, he wouldn't lose much over it. The conservatives are in a shambles and heck, we've had UK, Aust, Canada and NZ which are all similar countries, take it in its stride. Obama handling this in his second term would put the US twenty years behind Australia in allowing LGBT service men and women; are you honestly trying to tell me that modern day US with an African American president is more socially conservative than Australia twenty years ago? Even John McCain supported a review of the DADT policy so no, Obama will not lose votes over it.Obama's less of a pussy than most other politicians of today, of any country. he recently condemned african leaders and claimed they were the main problem that their countries were so poor (something previous presidents failed to do).
Obama would lose votes, fundamentalist christian america wouldn't like it very much. Let's hope he looks at it more in his second term, but obama's got a hell of a lota stuff to do in the meantime
Well it's good to hear you think this is the case...I reckon myself 'don't ask don't tell' is a horrible policy. Obama might be in, and the conservatives might not be the greatest opposition right now, but I just would've thought that the lobbying power of fundamentalist christians would have been too great a loss.Really, he wouldn't lose much over it. The conservatives are in a shambles and heck, we've had UK, Aust, Canada and NZ which are all similar countries, take it in its stride. Obama handling this in his second term would put the US twenty years behind Australia in allowing LGBT service men and women; are you honestly trying to tell me that modern day US with an African American president is more socially conservative than Australia twenty years ago? Even John McCain supported a review of the DADT policy so no, Obama will not lose votes over it.
Well, yes and no. They've become more and more fringe lately, especially after the humiliation suffered over Palin so that while they're still a power they're not one Obama should really fear, especially since they'd be mostly against him by principle anyway (omg muslim terrorist President Hussein rhetoric ~).Well it's good to hear you think this is the case...I reckon myself 'don't ask don't tell' is a horrible policy. Obama might be in, and the conservatives might not be the greatest opposition right now, but I just would've thought that the lobbying power of fundamentalist christians would have been too great a loss.
I thought hypocrisy was a sin to Christiansthe arrogance of your self-love logic
Including gays is an easy way to relieve tension, imo. A mouth is a mouth, amirite?
A hole is a hole.
No, just homosexuality.I thought hypocrisy was a sin to Christians
Well, it's nice to see that the KKK wannabes are being removed. OH WAIT!Recently, an Army National Guardsman and Arabic translator who openly challenged the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, was recommended for discharge by a military administrative board because he has publicly said that he is gay. Yet a watchdog group claims dozens of US military personnel have been spotted on a white supremacist social networking Web site in an apparent violation of Pentagon regulations prohibiting racist extremism.
...?Well, it's nice to see that the KKK wannabes are being removed. OH WAIT!
Nice priorities there.
The Raw Story � US military: Gays not welcome; white supremacists ‘OK?’
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That's not an entirely accurate representation of the issue....?
That's a complete strawman. It's not that 'gays' aren't welcome; it's that you're not allowed to talk about it, and in return for doing that, you get protection from being asked about it.
I think you'll find that the US military generally has a policy against outspoken racism the same way that it does against outspoken homosexuality.
If you don't want to cut your hair, don't work in retail. If you don't want to stop swearing, don't work for a school. If you don't want to not discuss your sexuality, don't join the military. In any case, I wish the queer community would get over it to be honest. Who gives a fuck who the US military does and does not let in, especially given that there are numerous cases of queer military servicemen/women who just don't talk about it while at work. You're not being paid and trained to talk about your sexuality.
Er, again, that's a complete strawman.To say homosexuals are welcome and permitted in the military so long as no one knows you are one is slightly contradictory.
-- ie they are neither welcome nor unwelcome because it's not to be discussed. You obviously don't understand this law is there to ensure that homosexuality is not an issue because it can neither be asked (thus protecting soldiers) nor be told (thus protecting the military from alleged problems it causes).pwaryuex said:It's not that 'gays' aren't welcome
I personally think it's political rather then the view that Obama shares. He is a very smart politician. The tide is turning and the policy is becoming more and more unpopular, but i guess it's not a major one issue policy, and so Obama doesn't have an insentive to change it, because it might cause him other problems.During his campaign President Obama promised to repeal Don't ask, Don't tell (DADT) which is a military policy in the US forbidding LGBT persons from serving openly in the military. However, in the wake of his being inducted into office, Obama has completely back pedaled on the issue despite near unanimous supporting for the repeal of the policy by the military itself and LGBT groups. Recently Obama has also disclaimed the fact that he has the authority to repeal DADT, despite him being Commander in Chief of the armed forces and all that.
So wth is up with Obama? Is he that scared of the conservatives? This move would lose him pretty much no political capital at all so why is he upholding a policy that puts the US up there with Russia, China and Iran in its handling of gays in the military? Is Obama that much of a pussy?