Kim Il-Sung
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what difference does it make whether its tomorrow or in 30 yearsthe poll is not saying should australia become a republic in 2010. i was thinking more like 2030-50.
what difference does it make whether its tomorrow or in 30 yearsthe poll is not saying should australia become a republic in 2010. i was thinking more like 2030-50.
modern australian culture has nothing to do with royalty.you're an idiot
no they can't
governor general gives royal assent unless the bill says otherwise (and they never do these days)
Australia sovereignty lies in Australia under the current system so what's the problem?
i voted no btw
lol you're appealing to 'modern australian culture' to justify that claim? ffs give me a breakmodern australian culture has nothing to do with royalty.
ok those are DIFFERENT things first off.we are an egalitarian culture ie. multicultural tolerant.
based on the claims you made so does a republic. looks like we're fuckeda monarchy contradicts 21st C australia.
it's not a justification - it's a reality. the death of the queen will impact on monarchist views i promise you.lol you're appealing to 'modern australian culture' to justify that claim? ffs give me a break
it isn't a question of compatibility - it's effectiveness and making sense. australia has more ties with the US than britain now. monarchists can't keep australia under a mask forever, let alone after the queen dies.ok those are DIFFERENT things first off.
egalitarianism is not incompatible with constitutional monarchy, neither is multiculturalism. we were founded as a nation of the anglosphere and tbh we will remain a nation of the anglosphere whether we become a republic or not. getting rid of the monarchy is not going to magically redefine cultural attitudes in this country and make australia more multicultural. it is not going to stop racism or cure world hunger or make money fall from the sky
only if people such as yourselves hold onto the dying monarchist tradition. australia is heading in a republic direction, maybe not this decade, maybe not the next, but in years to come the monarchist side of the debate will die with the queen.based on the claims you made so does a republic. looks like we're fucked
timing is everything. our lifetime will see further change is this area.I'm in favour of it, but in a passive 'really couldn't care less' kind of way.
and under whose authority does the governor general give his assent dip shit?you're an idiot
no they can't
governor general gives royal assent unless the bill says otherwise (and they never do these days)
Australia sovereignty lies in Australia under the current system so what's the problem?
i voted no btw
No, such an act would cause the Prime Minister sack the GG. End of story.Such an act, would cause socio-political chaos.
the australian constitution's actually.and under whose authority does the governor general give his assent dip shit?
Even if the gg can reserve assent for the queen, thats irrelevant anyway since convention has been for many many years never to reserve bills for the queen's assent, and EVEN if they did reserve it, the last time a monarch refused to assent to a bill was oh, only about a century ago.Australian Constitution - Section 58 - Royal assent to Bills & Recommendations by Governor-General
When a proposed law passed by both Houses of the Parliament is presented to the Governor-General for the Queen's assent, he shall declare, according to his discretion, but subject to this Constitution, that he assents in the Queen's name, or that he withholds assent, or that he reserves the law for the Queen's pleasure.
Yeah which is why the monarch would never ever do it do it you ABSOLUTE FUCKING RETARDprecisely my point, were we to have some absolutist, arbitrary sovereign (however unlikely), it is possible for that said sovereign to refuse to provide their assent for the bill. Such an act, would cause socio-political chaos.
Now THAT would cause socio-political chaos given that executive power lies in the GG under the constitution.No, such an act would cause the Prime Minister sack the GG. End of story.
So basically fuck the fact that Australia's legal system, extremely high quality of life rankings, and famed social conventions (egalitarianism, not being too serious etc) are all direct results of strong European foundations?modern australian culture has nothing to do with royalty.
we are an egalitarian culture ie. multicultural tolerant.
a monarchy contradicts 21st C australia.
+1as long as we get to keep the public holiday, wateva
More like 300 years ago. The last time a monarch refused to sign legislation was Queen Anne in 1707.Even if the gg can reserve assent for the queen, thats irrelevant anyway since convention has been for many many years never to reserve bills for the queen's assent, and EVEN if they did reserve it, the last time a monarch refused to assent to a bill was oh, only about a century ago.
+2
I know but apparently an Australian bill was refused sovereign assent in 1906, can't remember what it was called.More like 300 years ago. The last time a monarch refused to sign legislation was Queen Anne in 1707.
We would have to be approved as a continuing member of the Commonwealth, and there is no indication that we would be removed by the other members. No country that has become a republic has not been admitted to the Commonwealth simply for removing the British monarch as their Head of State. If only countries that had the Queen as the Head of State were in the Commonwealth there would only be 16 countries. The vast majority of members were part of the old British Empire but are now republics.Yea but then we cant rip up the commonwealth games cuz we wouldnt be in the commmonwealth anymore (i think thats the rule right....)
ughRemaining a constitutional monarchy reminds every Australian that what we enjoy here is a direct result of the labours of previous Australians.
so as soon as we become a republic (which we will, it is inevitable) all of those qualities will go "poof" and disappear? NO THEY WON'T!So basically fuck the fact that Australia's legal system, extremely high quality of life rankings, and famed social conventions (egalitarianism, not being too serious etc) are all direct results of strong European foundations?