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We want the Taliban back, say ordinary Afghans

At least we felt safe under the extremists, say Kandahar residents too afraid to go out after dark

By Chris Sands in Kandahar
Published: 08 April 2007


Faiz Mohammed Karigar, a father of two, fled Kandahar when the Taliban held power in Afghanistan because he was against their restrictions on education. Now he wants the fundamentalists back.

"When the Taliban were here, I escaped to the border with Iran, but I was never worried about my family," he said. "Every single minute of the last three years I have been very worried. Maybe tonight the Americans will come to my house, molest my wife and children and arrest me."

Last week, President Hamid Karzai acknowledged for the first time that he had held talks with the Taliban in an attempt to reach a peace deal and avert a bloody struggle for control in the south and east of the country, where the movement has enjoyed a resurgence in the past year.

The failure of Nato forces to deliver security and development and rising civilian casualties inflicted by Western forces in clashes with the Taliban have led to a loss of support in Kandahar. "How can we forgive the Americans?" asked Mr Karigar, who like most people here does not distinguish among the different elements in Nato. "I will fight them any way I can."

The majority of forces in Kandahar province are Canadian, with a British commander, Major-General "Jacko" Page, about to assume responsibility for the whole of southern Afghanistan at a time when a renewed Taliban offensive is thought to be imminent. British troops have been based mainly in neighbouring Helmand province so far, but the fresh forces now arriving will operate across the region.

The Taliban failed last year to carry out its threat to seize back Kandahar, its former stronghold, and Nato insists the movement can never win a military victory against it, even if many Afghans believe it possible. But the occupiers have lost crucial support in the city, which has become one of the most dangerous places in Afghanistan.

Political and criminal violence has spread fear among the population, and most try to avoid going out after dark, when the only sounds are the helicopters flying overhead and the odd burst of gunfire in the streets. Suicide attacks are common, and on several occasions in recent months nervous Nato troops have shot civilians they mistakenly believed were about to blow themselves up.

Whatever the cause of the bloodshed, the local population almost always blames the foreign soldiers in their midst. Even moderate Afghans are openly declaring they will join the insurgency.

The British Government calls the Taliban "terrorists" and "extremists", but people in Kandahar associate it with security. Before the 2001 invasion, they say, they could walk the streets safely as long as they complied with the movement's strict interpretation of Islamic law. Now even a simple outing to the local market is seen as a risk, and the Taliban, established as a response to lawlessness in the 1990s, is gaining fresh strength.

"I think life under the Taliban was very good," said Maria Farah, a mother of five. "If we did not have a full stomach, we could at least get some food and go to sleep, and if we went out somewhere there were no problems. How about now? If we go out, we don't know if we will arrive home or not. If there is an explosion and the Americans are passing, they will just open fire on everyone. The security problems are too much here."

Foreign attempts at development were waved aside by Haji Abdul Rahman, a tribal elder, who demanded: "If a road has been built and you are killed, what good is it? Everyone is a robber. I guarantee if you sit in my car and we go for a drive, no Taliban will take you away. But I cannot guarantee that about the police. If they stop you they will steal your money and your camera."

The Nato-led International Security Assistance Force denies the insurgency is gaining strength. "Most polling data shows only about 5 per cent of the people actually support the Taliban extremists," said a spokesman, who insisted that fighting in Kandahar province was a result of foreign and local troops "extending the reach of the legitimate government" into militant strongholds.

But a recent poll of several thousand men in Kandahar and Helmand by the Senlis Council, a Brussels-based thinktank, found that Taliban support among civilians had jumped to nearly 27 per cent. Only 19 per cent in the two provinces felt that international troops were helping them personally.

In southern Afghanistan, said the report, people "are increasingly prepared to admit their support for the Taliban, and the belief that the government and the international community will not be able to defeat the Taliban is widespread".

In the Panjwayi district west of Kandahar city, which saw heavy fighting last year, Mawlawi Abdul Hadid said 18 members of his family died in an air strike last May against suspected insurgents. "In the beginning you had only one enemy. Then you made two, then three, and now I also stand against you," he declared.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article2432448.ece

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What the USA is doing in the middle east is like a man yelling:"I will enforce democracy, but before I do this, I will need to eradicate all those who do not agree with my democratic point of view."

It seems really ludicrous.
 

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I just love it how the opinions of one or two people translate into the view shared by every citizen of a rather divided, uneducated and wartorn country .. nonwithstanding that pleasing the lefties and other retards here in the west is part of the reason why we cant swell troop numbers and go after people like the taliban on a proper and overwhelming assault front.
 

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they want the taliban back? thats crazy. Wouldnt it be more logical to pick a 3rd option, e.g a non corrupt government that has law and order as the first priority, but doesnt execute children for crimes against islam. Pretty funny how everything is blamed on the americans, i bet if australian forces marched through some city of afghanistan and trashed it, everyone would blame the americans. Why dont these people ever take responsability for their own country?
 
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material satisfaction is the base of a country's development of democracy and politics. people in such countries, where they are not able to be materially satisfied, at this stage, they need things to eat rather than democracy.

Why dont these people ever take responsability for their own country?
who caused the war on their homeland? Bin Laden and George Bush. how can ordinary people fight against terrorists? how can they prevent their country from suicide bombing? they don't have guns and weapons, they don't even have high quality of life. politicians caused the war, why do ordinary people have to bear all the costs.
 
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ilovecommunism said:
who caused the war on their homeland? Bin Laden and George Bush. how can ordinary people fight against terrorists? how can they prevent their country from suicide bombing? they don't have guns and weapons, they don't even have high quality of life. politicians caused the war, why do ordinary people have to bear all the costs.
Wars has been caused by themselves. before there was george Bush or Osama Bin laden Afghanistan had been under civil war for about 30 years. They never had high quality of life and thats what the world is trying to change.
 
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YankeeChica said:
Wars has been caused by themselves. before there was george Bush or Osama Bin laden Afghanistan had been under civil war for about 30 years. They never had high quality of life and thats what the world is trying to change.
so, that answers why people wants taliban back, bacause when the taliban came into power, civil war ceased for a moment. at least, even tough the civil war did not fully stop, but the society evolved into a relatively more stable period, as taliban took control of most of the land area in the country. but then, the new warfare occured due to the conflict between the US and Bin Laden.
 
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