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this is paywalled but is in tomorrows print version i think.

percentage-wise it’s not the worst one but still pretty big
 

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How the fuck are people finding advanced hard?

you only need to be top 25% can get a band 6 in advanced btw

I think the SCT is harder than math advanced exams
 

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theres been the diplomatic and non diplomatic approach here.
same concern, average is called average as it is the middle value/range of values that people have. contrary to popular belief, most people are NOT above average
 

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this is paywalled but is in tomorrows print version i think.

percentage-wise it’s not the worst one but still pretty big
hmmm, would this make it so that non-math degrees would have higher competition and as such the ATAR requirements for them would drastically increase?. Is this a logical prediction? For example, could Law go up in ATAR req
 

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I think the way ATAR (or University entrance Score) is calculated is an important factor here.

You can get a high ATAR number with only social subjects and go to engineering or medical sciences . There is a problem here.

In some other countries everyone gets the same exam for university entrance.

You get different entrance scores like social, social+math, science, science+math etc. The questions have different weightings in calculating these scores. For example , for social score social science questions have a weighting of 4, science questions have 0.25 etc.

The universities announce which score they require for a particular field. This way you are encouraged to do science related subjects in HSC if you are going to do engineering or sciences.

This way is just an example. There are many different ways of achieving the same objective. The main idea is to force the students to select HSC subjects related to their future studies .
 

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What if it is because of the new syllabus? The new syllabus does look better though. Apparently Engineering Studies is not that useful, so I can see why dropping Engineering Studies might be common due to students being misled by its name.
 

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there are so far 3 letters to the editor 21.4.2026 in the smh published today:

letter 1

It’s a concern that one-third of students attempting Advanced Mathematics for the HSC abandon it after one year (“The HSC subject 8000 students dumped last year”, April 20). “Advanced” maths is not the highest level, yet it includes the study of basic calculus, which is advisable and often a prerequisite for many diverse tertiary subjects ranging from psychology to economics, in addition to the more obvious engineering. I suggest that “real” mathematics begins with HSC Advanced because of the calculus content, whereas the more popular standard level could be regarded as advanced arithmetic. The message that “ambitious parents” are responsible is not surprising. Former teachers, myself included, have witnessed the increasing influence of parents in the conduct of school affairs, particularly in the past decade, and school administrators giving in to parental pressure, ill-advised or otherwise. Max Redmayne, Drummoyne

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More students dropped Advanced Mathematics between years 11 and 12 because more students do maths in the first place. If you look at the percentage changes in the table, Advanced Mathematics isn’t even the worst and there is a reduction for almost every subject. There is a minimum number of units that students must do for the HSC, so many students start year 11 doing more than the minimum and then drop one or two units in year 12 to concentrate on preferred subjects that will give them the highest result. There is nothing sinister in these results. It would be more interesting to see how the subjects being studied were changing over time, and particularly if that showed a drop in the proportion of students doing Advanced Mathematics. That would be worrying. David Rush, Lawson

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As a former head of the NSW Department of Education, Mark Scott would understand that there is clear guidance on time allocation for mathematics in primary schools, with approximately 20 per cent of the school week dedicated to the subject. In practice, school leadership teams, alongside classroom teachers, are responsible for planning and implementing this within their timetables – and in my experience they do so with professionalism and care. The reality is that the vast majority of primary educators work diligently to build strong foundational mathematical skills. Comments suggesting otherwise undermine the work of committed professionals and misrepresent the quality of teaching and learning taking place in primary classrooms every day. Margie Christowski, Roseville
 

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I think the way ATAR (or University entrance Score) is calculated is an important factor here.

You can get a high ATAR number with only social subjects and go to engineering or medical sciences . There is a problem here.

In some other countries everyone gets the same exam for university entrance.

You get different entrance scores like social, social+math, science, science+math etc. The questions have different weightings in calculating these scores. For example , for social score social science questions have a weighting of 4, science questions have 0.25 etc.

The universities announce which score they require for a particular field. This way you are encouraged to do science related subjects in HSC if you are going to do engineering or sciences.

This way is just an example. There are many different ways of achieving the same objective. The main idea is to force the students to select HSC subjects related to their future studies .
Another way is just copying the gaokao, where theres a track for dropkicks, and another for stem students. people who did the non stem cant go to tsinghua.

stem students still get a great liberal education in china, where they learn about politics, including marxism and how capitalism is fucking evil, and english and chinese.
 
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By teaching stuff without the use of fucking colours and counting coins and stupid fucking unit bricks.

Stop doing "hands on" and performative teaching/learning.

Go back to fucking pen and paper.

Teach stuff that people in China would learn in their schools, the way people in China would learn.

Out with the left wing beuracracy and in with actual teaching of math.



Why the fuck does math need an ipad and ipad game like prodigy to learn?




I absolutely depise performative teachers. If I don't understand content, it's not because the normal way of teaching is bad, it's just that it takes time to learn something new. Stop giving us more useless fucking stuff to do like math games and counting block activities.

Australia primary school - by extension, high school - is so behind. Fuck OC class as well, what a useless piece of shit that doesn't increase one's knowledge (should be dismantled).


Schools should TEACH. They don't have to be engaging. Engaging = k/Learning, where k is a constant.
 
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I can answer that.
1. Start teaching content early. A lot of the Year 11/12 mathematics content should be taught in Year 8, 9, 10 (more spread out that way).
2. Do not teach redundant topics. Congruency and similarity is intuitive and instead should be replaced with vectors.
3. Teach from the ground up. This again comes down to Vectors. We don't learn vectors early enough, so students instead just memorise that c^2=a^2+b^2 for example rather than learning derivation (very important skill). Proofs should be further encouraged in mathematics earlier as well.
 

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There's this gay fag twink who taught primary schools both in the UK and Australia, one takeaway for him from the UK was that UK does more testing. Maybe look into why Primary Schools in Australia don't do exams. Like I don't remember doing a fucking subject exam in primary school and my teacher gave me "working towards" in maths even in year 6.
 

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This Youtube shorts comment encapsulates everything wrong with western schools.

Just cause your IQ is sub 95, doesn't mean the school has to cater to you.
 

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