School too girly? (1 Viewer)

[erawamai]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/miranda-...angry-young-men/2005/12/17/1134703643627.html
So what's wrong with the boys? OR is there anything wrong with them? Is Co education good?

Most of the problem seems to stem from the uncoolness of trying hard. A culture of tall poppy and knocking anyone who differs from the norm.

Being a product of a single sex school I wouldn't know what co ed high school was like. My father spotted that I spent most of my time chasing girls at primary school and sent me to a single sex school For which I'm greateful.

 

[Li0n]

ban private schools, that is all.

 

[Sonic]

ppl must realise that the individual either male or female creates their own destiny and their own fate... they must be "cool" and study hard and let me tell you it's hard.. this article adresses primary levels which is a little harder to get into because at this level boys attention spans are much lower than girls (hell,even till now my attaetion span is so short, can't sit in front of something for more than 20 mins) this i beleive is the problem not allowing boys to have sipmple toys and other "male" things is not the answer beacause short attention spans are just normal they are part of males DNA

 

[Gay Captain]

The reason girls do better than boys in the HSC is because none of the subjects (except maths) have any common sense in them. What with the humanising of the sciences, the post-modernising of the humanities and such...

No one with testicles is willing to take that crap seriously.

 

[kartman]

well complusory english helps a shitload. Girls are naturally geared towards english and languages and guys towards logic and maths etc

why not make maths complusory as well? oh noooh we will offend the womens rights feminazis

so yeah basically its cause we are an emasculated society which is run by w*myn. (thats the way women is written on the womens room at uni)

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I think it's got alot to do with brain development, I reckon you'd find if you made boys do the test at a slightly older age they would compete very well against the girls.

 

[MasterP]

Maybe because the HSC is so mind numbingly dull. And females are (generally) more grounded than males, so they get along with it better.

 

[PaleReflection]

well complusory english helps a shitload. Girls are naturally geared towards english and languages and guys towards logic and maths etc

why not make maths complusory as well? oh noooh we will offend the womens rights feminazis

so yeah basically its cause we are an emasculated society which is run by w*myn. (thats the way women is written on the womens room at uni)

Hahahahaha. You think maths isn't compulsory because it will offend women's groups?

Maths isn't compulsory because if we're not going into a career where maths is needed, the stuff we learn in 7-10 is adequate.

It has nothing to do with gender.

 

[crazyhomo]

Hahahahaha. You think maths isn't compulsory because it will offend women's groups?

Maths isn't compulsory because if we're not going into a career where maths is needed, the stuff we learn in 7-10 is adequate.

It has nothing to do with gender.

and year 10 english isn't adequate?

 

[PaleReflection]

and year 10 english isn't adequate?

I didn't say english should be compulsory. Just that I agree with maths being optional.

 

[crazyhomo]

I didn't say english should be compulsory. Just that I agree with maths being optional.

would you agree that english being compulsory in the hsc puts males at a disadvantage?

 

[kartman]

And how is reading and analyzing shakespear and crap like hamlet gonna help you later on?

atleast with maths you learn something useful. majority of the things in modern society today wouldnt be possible if not for math (stuff like calculus which you think is useless is the basics for electricity, cars, planes, computers you name it). you would understand that if you did engineering.

its an indeniable fact that making english complusory is an enormous disadvantage to guys who naturally dont like reading books. How would girls like it if every one of them were forced to do 4U maths?

all that our high school system does is encourage more people to go study law and become litigation lawyers and soon we will get swallowed by the rest of the world (asia) since we dont manufacture anything to export other than lawsuits.

good one!

 

[erawamai]

its an indeniable fact that making english complusory is an enormous disadvantage to guys who naturally dont like reading books. How would girls like it if every one of them were forced to do 4U maths?

We live in an English speaking country. It is important that our engineers are able to read and hopefully write about something. I think it is pretty sad that a person can graduate from high school and not be able to write or construct some kind of written communcation.

I also do not think Advanced English is equal to 4 unit maths.

Also not many people choose not to do maths. Perhaps some level of maths should be made compulsory however it should not be made to count like english.

 

[mr_brightside]

"You may as well just cut off their balls," said one father of sons.

hahahaha!
I agree!

I once heard the statement: "Men have wars, Women have babies"
This is reflected in the early development of a child with the types of games they play.
Typically, boys will fight, play superheroes, etc.
whereas girls will have a tea party, be "mummy"

Taking away that aspect in boys development is not natural.
So IMO...thats fucked.

 

[crazyhomo]

We live in an English speaking country. It is important that our engineers are able to read and hopefully write about something.

I also do not think Advanced English is equal to 4 unit maths.

so you do think that english should be compulsory as year 12 level is a requirement for post-school life, whereas year 12 level maths should remain optional, it is far less relevent?

 

[hiphophooray123]

Most of the problem seems to stem from the uncoolness of trying hard. .

yep i think a big part of the problem is social.

people dont create their own destiny anymore, humanistic views go can be thrown out of the window when discussing high school life and the problems faced by adolescents. Conformity, 'trends' 'coolness' are what i think are the main affects on all aspects of a high-school students life, IN GENERAL.

 

[danieljarvis]

interesting story.. im not sure it's as much to do with subjects being compulsary or different subjects that appeal to one gender weighting better as much as it is the fact younger women are definately more grounded and looking ahead as a majority to younger boys.
i don't really see much we can do about that. coming from a guy with a 3 second attention span that revolves around boobies and booze, you'd think this is a great opportunity for an excuse of my failures!
but i don't really see much that can be done about it without trying to change male DNA

 

[kartman]

We live in an English speaking country. It is important that our engineers are able to read and hopefully write about something. I think it is pretty sad that a person can graduate from high school and not be able to write or construct some kind of written communcation

Majority of the time in year12 english was spent analyzing books like hamlet.

I see plenty of people working in supermarkets than struggle to add two simple numbers in their head when the cash register breaks down. I was at Target the other day and a jeans I was buying was $49 and was on a 20% discount and the chick couldnt do it since he didnt have a calculator and ending up having to calling someone else via the phone and asking them to do it since they had a calculator in hand.

Isnt that like year 9 maths? Yet many people today cannot do it in their heads. Atleast with english the majority of people can write and speak fluently enough to communicate effectively.

What I am trying to get at is that the reason guys have been doing worse than girls in the HSC/VCE etc is becuase english puts us at a disadvantage. The fact that boys are generally less studious also plays a part but nowhere as near.

 

[erawamai]

What I am trying to get at is that the reason guys have been doing worse than girls in the HSC/VCE etc is becuase english puts us at a disadvantage. The fact that boys are generally less studious also plays a part but nowhere as near.

I'm male and I was always pretty good at English? Personally I think its more to do with male attitude. That it's uncool to read. That somehow the arts are girly. It's not that boys have some kind of genetic propensity to be crap at English, it's just an attitude thing.

Personally I think it's more important that people be able to read, write and communicate properly. Numeracy is important also. But at least people with poor maths skills are able to communicate. Being spectacular at maths won't help much if you can't communicate.

 

[crazyhomo]

I'm male and I was always pretty good at English? Personally I think its more to do with male attitude. That it's uncool to read. That somehow the arts are girly. It's not that boys have some kind of genetic propensity to be crap at English, it's just an attitude thing.

there is much scientific debate about why girls are better at english, and boys are better at maths. but what is completely agreed upon is that.....girls are better at english and boys are better at maths. it doesn't matter why this is the case, it is a fact. so making english compulsory and maths optional does put boys at a disadvantage, wouldn't you agree?