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I think the flaw of the subject is that it’s solely memorisation and nowadays everyone uses AI or copies exemplar essays, which is why people aren’t sufficiently developing their skills and realising the importance of the subject.
Ik that’s why they need to make the subject more tolerable and less painful so that people don’t just use ai or exemplar texts. That way we’ll actually enjoy the subject and develop writing skills which will be a win win situation
 

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I honestly would find english more enjoyable if they gave us more time to actually plan a response to the question... because 3 essays in 2 hours is abysmal.
 

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Idk personally, I'm used to adapting to essay questions and idk how I'd be able to do it if I have to refer to a specific poem for mod B or if I am given an image from a particular scene... Like am I meant to memorise every scene?? anyways soz for the rant just really stressed but like I hope this is a collective human experience 💔
If you get an extract, it will be something of particular significance. Like they're not going to give you a random scene which provides little plot advancement and/or major contribution to a core idea of your text. But just to be safe, I'd recommened at the bare minimum, skimming over/ re-watching your prescriptions to make sure you really understand your text. In other words, if you have a deep enough knowledge of your text, it shouldn't matter what NESA gives you, as you can apply your understanding to any context.
 

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Ik that’s why they need to make the subject more tolerable and less painful so that people don’t just use ai or exemplar texts. That way we’ll actually enjoy the subject and develop writing skills which will be a win win situation
Or at the bare minimum... TEXTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ENJOYABLE TO READ. NOT EMOTIONALLY PAINFUL AND TAXXING TEXTS which make me fear death. I'm looking at you: Birthday Letters and T.S Eliot
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Fuck English. I genuinely only see the proponents of English to be "they/thems" and leftists with nose rings
I actually enjoy English quite a lot. But I do agree that the current syllabus does not align to the needs of all students in terms of their abilities or post-secondary aspirations. They should make it more flexible so that it can cater for a wider variety of needs.
 

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i think english should be compulsory in high school at any level, but it shouldnt be part of mandatory 2 units contributing to atar.
THIS! I think WACE is a good example; English does not have to count towards your top 4 subjects (most WA kids do 5), but you have to meet a certain benchmark (which I believe is to literally just PASS it) in order for most WA Universities to allow you to study at their institiutions without additional pathway programs.
 

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it pmo how ppl lose marks cause they didnt explain the link of a 400 year old play to theatric colonialism well enough but then spelling punctuation and grammar isnt assessed so we have ppl who mix up their theyre and there in society and dont capitalise put apostrophes or commas and full stops
 

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I think English should remain compulsory because:
- With the rise of AI, a lot of individuals are losing their critical thinking skills, when someone reads a text and it says "I had often watched a large dog of ours eating his food; and I now noticed a decided similarity between the dog's way of eating, and the man's," you'll be surprised by how many (including coolcat probably) won't be able to understand that the comparison of the man to the dog is revealing the extent in which poverty can dehumanise someone. The understanding of text is critical for humans as it dervies us from animals; it is important and should be compulsory. If you think otherwise it's probably:
1. you can't understand texts to a sophistacted way WHICH IS 100% FINE (i mean i needed tutoring) or
2. you are unwilling to understand the texts

- Our world is built upon societies that require communication; we don't live in the stone ages where someone can leave and live on their own for God knows how long and then tragically die. We are intertwined within a web of communication. As such, texts allow for our communication as it explores the depths of human emotions (yes a reference to Common Mod sorry gang) and collaboration. In other words, understanding and analysing texts make it easier for us to communicate. When reading a text and it says "In a word, I was too cowardly to do what I knew to be right, as I had been too cowardly to avoid doing what I knew to be wrong." We can understand that we live in a society where acting against what is deemed appropriate can diminish all opionions and actions of others. The character here wanted to acknowledge his wrongdoings to his trusted adult but was 'too cowardly' to do so because the 'mistake' is not socially acceptable to begin with. [note: the mistake is giving the poor man (the one mentioned above) food] Essentially, the understanding of human emtions and thoughts (though most of them are fictional) allows reader to be able to communicate better as it unlocks the reasons behind why people do stuff and how to react.

- As draining as HSC English can be (whichever stage), a lot of students misunderstand the reason behind why the syllabus is built so. Why is English so hard? Why do I need to still care about Shakespeare? What makes 'this' English so important? Can't we just have basic reading comprehension? Well, no.
Here is a question for you then: why is Biology about plants and Charles Darwin? Why can't it be ONLY about the human body? Well, because we are not the only species on Earth. Acting as if we are will only lead to exploitation of the planet, plants and animals; we must understand their presence and significance to be able continue living peacefully.
The same is for English. It is not a subject only about the reading and enjoying the read; it's about understanding the purpose of the author. The reason why is it humourous/sad/happy/romantic etc. As humans, we are created in a way that we are able to understand the distress or the situation of someone only from their eyes. So why not translate that into words? Texts do not exist only for leisure reading, but to communicate issues within societies. The example above of the man talks about poverty; the one of the boy is about his self-reflection regarding his actions. Another example is: "But he eyed me severely--as if I had done anything to him!" Discussing how often adults tend to throw the blame on children when it is them at fault. This reflects the issues of adults using children as 'objects' to dismantle whenever it suits them.

And although all the above texts are from Great Expectations written in 1861, it still underscores the same issues our societies face revealing that humans have not evovled.

As such, HSC English is hard yes but it is important and should be mandated. It's not like math that allows for scientific discovery and technological advancement, or biology that helps humans live with the world around us without exploitation, instead it underscores the universal idea of what it is like to be human and human evolvement over centuries (which to be frank, is slow and steady).
 

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wow very well put. agree 100%
im just sick of people saying english should be compulsory, like yes hate it, say it shouldnt count to atar but saying it shouldnt be mandated when it is the only subject that actually enables critical thinking is just kinda sad (and i say 'actually' bc math helps w theoretical/hands on problems which frankly is not as widely 'used?' than human connection and emotions)
wow that's like a whole essay
i like promise i wont be writing any essay here for the rest of the year gang 🥀
 

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yeah I get how it's compulsory but why are we the only country that has an English syllabus like ours. Literally other countries like Singapore for example, just do comprehension and they write essays about random topics that don't require critical thinking and analysis. And literally they are fine and in some ways doing better than us. I feel like they just need to make the subject more enjoyable and less about cramming as much info as u can in 40mins. They just need to teach all this stuff in a much more tolerable way. Cause honestly eng isn't even that bad. It's just the fact that I suck and they make the subject so annoying it pmo
 

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im just sick of people saying english should be compulsory, like yes hate it, say it shouldnt count to atar but saying it shouldnt be mandated when it is the only subject that actually enables critical thinking is just kinda sad (and i say 'actually' bc math helps w theoretical/hands on problems which frankly is not as widely 'used?' than human connection and emotions)

i like promise i wont be writing any essay here for the rest of the year gang 🥀
I think eng tutoring def changed u. Cause if this topic was brought up last year, u def would have said no to eng being mandatory
 

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yeah I get how it's compulsory but why are we the only country that has an English syllabus like ours. Literally other countries like Singapore for example, just do comprehension and they write essays about random topics that don't require critical thinking and analysis. And literally they are fine and in some ways doing better than us. I feel like they just need to make the subject more enjoyable and less about cramming as much info as u can in 40mins. They just need to teach all this stuff in a much more tolerable way. Cause honestly eng isn't even that bad. It's just the fact that I suck and they make the subject so annoying it pmo

I don’t think English should even have an exam in the first place.
 

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and yeah now I'm procrastinating on reading 1984. Lowkey it's kinda boring and I feel like nothing's happening so far except Winston talking about all the stupid rules that the party has to follow and the stupid stuff the people do
 

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and yeah now I'm procrastinating on reading 1984. Lowkey it's kinda boring and I feel like nothing's happening so far except Winston talking about all the stupid rules that the party has to follow and the stupid stuff the people do
you should watch the above, it makes the text a lot more entertaining to read afterwards.
 

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but at the same time people would then use ai and cheat. I just hate writing essays. Like give us some more creative opportunities like presentations and stuff (even tho I'd hate them)
Make them handwrite it in like 2 weeks of classes or something similar to what my physics teacher made us do after she caught half of our class cheating in the first assignment.
 

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