Shaz8teen
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Most atheists are like this :3You call yourself an atheist yet you don't even have the slightest clue of who God is.
Most atheists are like this :3You call yourself an atheist yet you don't even have the slightest clue of who God is.
I'm not saying you have to accept anything, I'm saying you need to know what you're talking about. If I wanted to debate economic policy with someone, and I was ignorant of anything to do with economics, you'd rightly call me and fool and ignore me. Now think of the courtesy I'm extending to you by continuing to engage with you.Firstly, I have zero ACCEPTANCE of anything theological. I understand perfectly what you are trying to assert; it just has no connection with our observable reality.
You didn't say "control freak" you said "petty control freak", you need to define what it means for God, who is a perfect Being with Omnipotence and Omniscience and has a Will, what it means for God to be "petty" and a "freak". I accept that God does "control" us, but that says nothing as to whether God exists or not.I would have thought it was obvious that I was implying that it is the fact that it does (supposedly) demand our subservience that makes it a control freak. What other reason could it possibly have for asking us to get on our knees before it, other than the the feeling of power it derives from that?
I did not assert that God exists, I layed out a definition of God, namely that He is a Being with Omnipotence, Omniscience and has a Will, and has Necessary existence. This is the definition of "God" in the English language, if you don't like this definition, then I will hire a translator to translate whatever you mean by "G - o - d" into my English vocabulary. Then a proper proof for the existence of God would attempt to show that there is a being that is Omnipotent, Omniscient and has a Will.As with all attempts to use logic to justify the existence of a god, this has devolved into assertions without proof that god exists, is eternal and is perfect, and that its existence is somehow necessary. They are all statements of personal belief .... they are your axioms, not your deductions.
How is this relevant to the question of God's existence?If you'll check again, that statement was based on a question ... "why would it demand our absolute subservience?"
How are words "petty" and "freak" to be applied to God? You need to answer this before you call God a "petty control freak"I would have thought it was obvious that I was implying that it is the fact that it does (supposedly) demand our subservience that makes it a control freak. What other reason could it possibly have for asking us to get on our knees before it, other than the the feeling of power it derives from that?
I'm a Muslim who believes that Jesus was a Prophet who performed miracles, so I'm afraid you probably think of me in greater contempt than any Christian you meet. I deny that Jesus is the "son of God", but I do believe he performed miracles.OK, so you're not christian .... you don't believe that Jesus is the son of god or that he performed miracles. That is refreshing. What do you think of people who do believe that nonsense?
Yeah it is on the wane in the western world sureWhat is even more refreshing is the figure of 50% atheists in the poll. Religious belief is clearly on the wane.
I'll butt out now. I choose life.I'm a Muslim.
You lack basic comprehension of rational arguments, so I guess it is better for you to just leave without embarrassing yourself furtherI'll butt out now. I choose life.
Your 'rational' arguments have been littered with with assertions that you claim to be 'self-evident'.You lack basic comprehension of rational arguments, so I guess it is better for you to just leave without embarrassing yourself further
This is actually a good question, I've been grappling with it myself recently. If God is a being that is supposed to be omniscient and perfect, you would think that he would be above all human vices, such as the need for validation and power. It's one thing if humans decide to worship him out of respect for all he has done, it's another if God mandates that himself. Which is why I question whether God actually did insist on that, or if it was just added by a few humans trying to impose what they think is right onto others."why would it demand our absolute subservience?"
Good point. All followers of the Abrahamic religions fail to see that their god is ridden with human vices.This is actually a good question, I've been grappling with it myself recently. If God is a being that is supposed to be omniscient and perfect, you would think that he would be above all human vices, such as the need for validation and power. It's one thing if humans decide to worship him out of respect for all he has done, it's another if God mandates that himself. Which is why I question whether God actually did insist on that, or if it was just added by a few humans trying to impose what they think is right onto others.
I don't think that can be used to disprove the existence of God, but I do think it provides a valid reason for not taking attendance to any religions if one so desires. If God exists, I would think he would judge you on the person you are, not how devout you have been to a particular religious tradition. Of course, you can follow any tradition you want if it makes you happy to do so, but if you feel that the tradition you follow makes you inherently better than other people, then I believe that is a flawed view point.
Sorry I kind of went off on a tangent there haha.
YesInstead of writing a large paragraph I want to share with you guys this video http://incmedia.org/content/god-science/. It won't take a lot of your time but I hope it will enlighten you in a way. Also this site has great videos on religion so you should check it out especially if you have any questions.
Get your own comment so unoriginal m8Yes
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buuuurrrrrnnnGet your own comment so unoriginal m8
I just wanted to see how you reacted when your comment was thrown back at you.Get your own comment so unoriginal m8
are you actually a teacher?I just wanted to see how you reacted when your comment was thrown back at you.
I got the expected reaction.
Re the video: As if an atheist would watch a video from the Philippines, one of the most unbendingly christian countries (and ??coincidently?? one of the least educated).
I don't see the connection between your question and the topic at hand.are you actually a teacher?
just cause they may not be one of the most educated countries and the fact that they're a third world country doesn't affect their religion and if they believe in God. It's ignorant of you to say that. Religion is more than education it's wisdom. Also religion doesn't discriminate race, colour or education.I just wanted to see how you reacted when your comment was thrown back at you.
I got the expected reaction.
Re the video: As if an atheist would watch a video from the Philippines, one of the most unbendingly christian countries (and ??coincidently?? one of the least educated).
For starters, I didn't bring race or colour into the discussion, so please don't misrepresent me.just cause they may not be one of the most educated countries and the fact that they're a third world country doesn't affect their religion and if they believe in God. It's ignorant of you to say that. Religion is more than education it's wisdom. Also religion doesn't discriminate race, colour or education.
That's probably simply because, being only in year 10, you haven't begun to question the belief / lack of belief that you have grown up with, and neither have the people around you.this thread is too deep for me o_o