Jesus dude pls learn to quote
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I have two grandfathers, agreed
I only have one father, and we are talking about fathers here...
Trace my lineage however you want. I have one biological father. End of story.
Odd wording is not a proper representation of the point
Blatant contradiction is better
Lk.2:21-39
Sam, Steve, Nary flee USA while there was a Tsunami
One would assume that Sam fled the USA very close to the time there was a tsunami
You refer to reality Tv and say that I do not understand the authors style of writing.
Please tell tell me in what context one would not assume that I fled during the Tsunami
Honestly, I think it is very simple and straightforward.
Now,
1. Joseph, Mary, and Jesus flee to Egypt while Herod slaughters all males under 2 years old. Mt.2:13-16. (Note: Jesus' cousin, John, was also under 2 and survived without having to flee.)
2. Joseph, Mary, and Jesus did not flee to Egypt, but remained for temple rituals. Lk.2:21-39.
Did they, or did they not flee to Egypt?
Did Herod slaughter infants or not?
You can not give me an answer that is does not contradict at least one of the two statements.
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There were 28 generations from David to Jesus. Mt.1:17.
There were 43 generations from David to Jesus. Lk.3:23-31
For anyone else reading this^
Well at least this is a better reason than "He intentionally lied about the numbers so it includes the special digit 7"
Also, still no response on
Ok, I haven't had time to respond. and because you seem to just ignore anything I've mentioned so far. Let me summarise:
Since you are repeating yourself. this will be last reply to your concerns. I will raise/ repeat key things which you have not addressed either. I am not going to respond to analogies that lack the same detail/rigour as the text.
Read carefully and closely:
- Differences between Mattthew's genealogy and Luke's geneaology is one is tracing through Jesus father and one through his mother to different starting points (hence difference in numbers) Is it blatant contradiction?
Maybe if I one takes the view that Luke is saying what he is on face value without proper examination. He isn't. (and that is where you get problems). The text wording suggests that Mary is in view and so Jesus lineage is traced in Luke through Mary and in Matthew's Gospel through Joseph. One traces back to Abraham, one traces back further (Luke). We have good reason that Luke has written much of the nativity Gospels with material from her eyewitness experience.
You or myself may resort to analogies but actually a careful study of the text would note these differences are perfectly expected if you eliminate the assumption which you have, that they are both tracing Joseph's lineage. They are not.
- Actually it would seem, may not be the case, you have been not properly reading and just recycling. Let me address your second thing/set of questions:
Yes they did go to Egypt, however Jesus could be anywhere to 2 when this happened. And so these events happened way after the temple rituals happened. I have said several times and even gone to rear lengthsbut you seemingly have not bothered to actually carefully consider the details of both nativity accounts in context.
You need to get past the assumption that the wise mans visited immediately after Jesus' birth, before the temple rituals, because if that were true. which when examination of the thinking behind Herod's slaughter (which was only of a small local area in Bethlehem) of the infants in Matthew's text, he mentions of all under 2 years old. Jesus is not specified as a newborn at all in Matthew's Gospel chapter 2 account of wise man, and you are importing a well meaning view that simplifies all the events of the nativity to happening all at once and all immediately one after the other. The way in which the Gospels wrote was trying to summarise 33 years of Jesus life in single 24 chapters at most book, of course there would a tendency for not every time period and detail mentioned.
Let me order the events so you can see again:
A - Jesus birth and Shepherd's visit
B - Exactly 8 days, temple rituals and all that jazz.
(Possibly travels between Nazareth/Bethlehem possible, although I personally don't see that)
C - Some period of time, not too long, wise men visit in Bethlehem
D - flight to Egypt / Herod's slaughter
E - return to Nazareth
What doesn't make sense in that?
(It is difficult so I understand because Jewish don't retell with all the details)
Context and understanding of Jewish literature styles of writing, is important with approaching the Bible, even though it is a text containing religious stuff.
I will address the unaddressed thing in a separate comment. cool.