well, why? i could see how it could be 0 or undefined, but why is it 1???
freestyler__54 Member Joined Jul 22, 2002 Messages 56 Location Wollongong Oct 18, 2002 #1 well, why? i could see how it could be 0 or undefined, but why is it 1???
D DA New Member Joined Aug 17, 2002 Messages 23 Oct 18, 2002 #2 The factorial is defined in terms of Euler's gamma function, which is an integral. The integral is Gamma(n) = int x^(n-1) e^-x over x = 0 to x = inf. and it can be shown that Gamma (n) = (n - 1)!. So put n = 1 and the integral is the integral of e^-x over x = 0 to x = inf. is 1, which gives us Gamma (1) = 1 or 0! = 1.
The factorial is defined in terms of Euler's gamma function, which is an integral. The integral is Gamma(n) = int x^(n-1) e^-x over x = 0 to x = inf. and it can be shown that Gamma (n) = (n - 1)!. So put n = 1 and the integral is the integral of e^-x over x = 0 to x = inf. is 1, which gives us Gamma (1) = 1 or 0! = 1.
McLake The Perfect Nerd Joined Aug 14, 2002 Messages 4,187 Location The Shire Gender Male HSC 2002 Oct 18, 2002 #3 I was under the impression that was a definition (in other words, "we define ! to mean ... and 0! = 1")
I was under the impression that was a definition (in other words, "we define ! to mean ... and 0! = 1")
D Dumbarse Member Joined Aug 9, 2002 Messages 423 Location BOS moderator & operator Oct 18, 2002 #4 i thought it was just based on logic like how many ways can 0 people be arranged in a line the answer is 0! = 1
i thought it was just based on logic like how many ways can 0 people be arranged in a line the answer is 0! = 1
wogboy Terminator Joined Sep 2, 2002 Messages 653 Location Sydney Gender Male HSC 2002 Oct 18, 2002 #5 5! = 120 4! = 5!/5 = 24 3! = 4!/4 = 6 2! = 3!/3 = 2 1! = 2!/2 = 1 0! = 1!/1 = 1 See the pattern? The principle used here is that n!/n = (n-1)! So if we let n = 1, LHS = 1, RHS = 0! So, 0! = 1
5! = 120 4! = 5!/5 = 24 3! = 4!/4 = 6 2! = 3!/3 = 2 1! = 2!/2 = 1 0! = 1!/1 = 1 See the pattern? The principle used here is that n!/n = (n-1)! So if we let n = 1, LHS = 1, RHS = 0! So, 0! = 1
Weisy the evenstar Joined Aug 2, 2002 Messages 656 Location Here Gender Female HSC 2002 Oct 19, 2002 #6 ah...I like that much better than the other one
D Dumbarse Member Joined Aug 9, 2002 Messages 423 Location BOS moderator & operator Oct 22, 2002 #7 could they ask thatin the exam!??!
R ravingcow New Member Joined Oct 24, 2002 Messages 2 Oct 24, 2002 #8 The other way to look at it is this: How many ways can you arrange 5 items? 5! = 120 How many ways can you arrange 1 item? 1! = 1 How many ways can you arrange zero items? Only one way, of course! There being zero ways to arrange zero items doesn't quite make sense to me, although I am sure others out there will disagree. Oh well.
The other way to look at it is this: How many ways can you arrange 5 items? 5! = 120 How many ways can you arrange 1 item? 1! = 1 How many ways can you arrange zero items? Only one way, of course! There being zero ways to arrange zero items doesn't quite make sense to me, although I am sure others out there will disagree. Oh well.
R ravingcow New Member Joined Oct 24, 2002 Messages 2 Oct 24, 2002 #9 Okay, okay. So Dumbarse just mentioned that. It was still a good point, though...
M macca202 Member Joined Oct 23, 2002 Messages 100 Location north of a bridge Oct 24, 2002 #10 9C3 = 9C6 (6+3=9) etc.., ah no this is going nowhere... 9C9 which = 9!/9!x(9!-0!), oh shit i just totaly confused myself... =9!/9!x(9-9)! ah here we go... =9!/9!x0! obviously only 1 combination possible, so 0!=1
9C3 = 9C6 (6+3=9) etc.., ah no this is going nowhere... 9C9 which = 9!/9!x(9!-0!), oh shit i just totaly confused myself... =9!/9!x(9-9)! ah here we go... =9!/9!x0! obviously only 1 combination possible, so 0!=1
wogboy Terminator Joined Sep 2, 2002 Messages 653 Location Sydney Gender Male HSC 2002 Oct 24, 2002 #12 Factorials are just a miserable attempt at making maths look exciting
BlackJack Vertigo! Joined Sep 24, 2002 Messages 1,230 Location 15 m above the pavement Gender Male HSC 2002 Oct 25, 2002 #13 Have you seen a fractal then? I never believed factorials are exciting, there are other things in life.
Have you seen a fractal then? I never believed factorials are exciting, there are other things in life.