raw marks, internal mark, HSC mark?? (1 Viewer)

Clueless0182

Member
Joined
Feb 9, 2021
Messages
72
Gender
Female
HSC
2023
So i know that your HSC mark is an avg of your raw examination mark and assessment (internals) mark but im confused as to where scaling takes place.
for eg, with eng adv, a raw mark of 83.5 can be a band 6 (90) so is it the raw hsc mark that is being aligned or the avg of the raw hsc mark and internal mark being aligned??

Thanks,
 

jimmysmith560

Le Phénix Trilingue
Moderator
Joined
Aug 22, 2019
Messages
4,740
Location
Krak des Chevaliers
Gender
Male
HSC
2019
Uni Grad
2022
An HSC mark is not an average of a raw Examination Mark and a moderated Assessment Mark, it is the average of an aligned Examination Mark and a moderated (and aligned) Assessment Mark. Those are the marks that you receive, i.e. that you are made aware of by NESA.

On the other hand, a raw HSC mark is the average of a raw Examination Mark (that is, without any alignment) and a moderated (but not aligned) Assessment Mark. You are not made aware of your raw HSC marks by NESA.

Once your raw HSC marks are determined, UAC then applies the scaling process, resulting in scaled HSC marks. Subsequently, your scaled HSC marks will be used in determining your ATAR.

If the mark values that you are referring to for English Advanced are from https://rawmarks.info/, it is important to note (if you are not already aware) that the data that can be accessed consists of raw and aligned Examination Marks, not HSC marks, where the former (that is, the aligned Examination Mark) contributes 50% of a student's HSC mark (the one that they are made aware of). In such a case, the raw Examination Mark of 83.5 in 2022 was aligned, therefore becoming an aligned Examination Mark of 90.

I hope this helps! 😄
 

Clueless0182

Member
Joined
Feb 9, 2021
Messages
72
Gender
Female
HSC
2023
An HSC mark is not an average of a raw Examination Mark and a moderated Assessment Mark, it is the average of an aligned Examination Mark and a moderated (and aligned) Assessment Mark. Those are the marks that you receive, i.e. that you are made aware of by NESA.

On the other hand, a raw HSC mark is the average of a raw Examination Mark (that is, without any alignment) and a moderated (but not aligned) Assessment Mark. You are not made aware of your raw HSC marks by NESA.

Once your raw HSC marks are determined, UAC then applies the scaling process, resulting in scaled HSC marks. Subsequently, your scaled HSC marks will be used in determining your ATAR.

If the mark values that you are referring to for English Advanced are from https://rawmarks.info/, it is important to note (if you are not already aware) that the data that can be accessed consists of raw and aligned Examination Marks, not HSC marks, where the former (that is, the aligned Examination Mark) contributes 50% of a student's HSC mark (the one that they are made aware of). In such a case, the raw Examination Mark of 83.5 in 2022 was aligned, therefore becoming an aligned Examination Mark of 90.

I hope this helps! 😄
ohhh ok so the 83.5 scaling to a 90 in eng adv that 83.5 is an avg of the aligned examination and aligned assessment mark?
sorry im just really confused
 

jimmysmith560

Le Phénix Trilingue
Moderator
Joined
Aug 22, 2019
Messages
4,740
Location
Krak des Chevaliers
Gender
Male
HSC
2019
Uni Grad
2022
ohhh ok so the 83.5 scaling to a 90 in eng adv that 83.5 is an avg of the aligned examination and aligned assessment mark?
sorry im just really confused
No, the 83.5 is a raw Examination Mark and the 90 is an aligned Examination Mark, with the latter mark being the one that you are made aware of by NESA. However, if you also wish to find out your raw Examination Marks, you can request them from NESA.

When you receive your HSC results, you will be made aware of three elements:
  • Your Assessment Marks (internal marks)
  • Your Examination Marks (HSC exam marks)
  • Your overall HSC marks (the average of both aforementioned marks)
 

radiex

New Member
Joined
Jan 31, 2025
Messages
2
Gender
Male
HSC
2026
Do internal marks get aligned and moderated or is just examination marks that get aligned?
 

radiex

New Member
Joined
Jan 31, 2025
Messages
2
Gender
Male
HSC
2026
Also
No, the 83.5 is a raw Examination Mark and the 90 is an aligned Examination Mark, with the latter mark being the one that you are made aware of by NESA. However, if you also wish to find out your raw Examination Marks, you can request them from NESA.

When you receive your HSC results, you will be made aware of three elements:
  • Your Assessment Marks (internal marks)
  • Your Examination Marks (HSC exam marks)
  • Your overall HSC marks (the average of both aforementioned marks)
I recently heard that aligned marks don't count to your actual atar, is that true? and if so how does that work.
 

jimmysmith560

Le Phénix Trilingue
Moderator
Joined
Aug 22, 2019
Messages
4,740
Location
Krak des Chevaliers
Gender
Male
HSC
2019
Uni Grad
2022
Do internal marks get aligned and moderated or is just examination marks that get aligned?
Both marks are aligned, hence the overall HSC mark that you receive for each subject (i.e. the ones NESA inform you of) is aligned.

Also
I recently heard that aligned marks don't count to your actual atar, is that true? and if so how does that work.
That is correct. Alignment is a process that NESA performs that modifies raw marks according to band descriptors of a particular HSC subject. It has no effect on a student's ATAR. The mark that is in determining a student's ATAR is the scaled HSC mark. The average of a moderated assessment mark and a raw HSC exam mark is taken, resulting in a raw HSC mark. That mark is then scaled, hence becoming a scaled HSC mark to be used by UAC in determining a student's ATAR as mentioned.
 

coolcat6778

Active Member
Joined
Jun 9, 2024
Messages
396
Gender
Male
HSC
2025
Both marks are aligned, hence the overall HSC mark that you receive for each subject (i.e. the ones NESA inform you of) is aligned.



That is correct. Alignment is a process that NESA performs that modifies raw marks according to band descriptors of a particular HSC subject. It has no effect on a student's ATAR. The mark that is in determining a student's ATAR is the scaled HSC mark. The average of a moderated assessment mark and a raw HSC exam mark is taken, resulting in a raw HSC mark. That mark is then scaled, hence becoming a scaled HSC mark to be used by UAC in determining a student's ATAR as mentioned.
explain why atar calculators use HSC mark and not raw marks or scaled marks then
 

jimmysmith560

Le Phénix Trilingue
Moderator
Joined
Aug 22, 2019
Messages
4,740
Location
Krak des Chevaliers
Gender
Male
HSC
2019
Uni Grad
2022
explain why atar calculators use HSC mark and not raw marks or scaled marks then
I would assume that they simply use scaling data that might be available to them and attempt to determine scaled marks that are "equivalent" to the aligned marks that you input, based on which the estimate is then produced.
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)

Top