Actually good schools? (1 Viewer)

[Sam Rowan]

It seems every time i look at a school, there’s a debate for how good it is. how it goes academically, homework, state rankers, environmental conditions ect ect

So i wanna know, what schools would you say is genuinely good? with fair teachers and communities? Ranks and marks?

Im mainly asking about public schools, but fuck it, glaze some private ones whilst you’re here.

 

[fromthethickofit]

actually good schools are top 10

 

[Flux]

I went to private.
It's dogshit, not worth it.
Virtue signalling goes brrrrrt "u guys go to a privileged school therefore u don't need help"

At least in public you get something despite paying little to nothing. Honestly any public school within the top 50 is pretty good. There is no school with fair teachers and communities, I mean teachers are humans like everyone else so it's not as if they don't have biases or anything.

 

[fromthethickofit]

yeah i heard private schools specifically top 50 focus on the smart students and are usually rank farmers by making students accelerate in subjects to get their band 6s up

 

[Flux]

yeah i heard private schools specifically top 50 focus on the smart students and are usually rank farmers by making students accelerate in subjects to get their band 6s up

My school consistently ranks within top 20 and honestly it's so cancer.
Ain't no way ur preaching the goodness of God and Jesus whilst 80% of the cohort is left to die on their own.
If you do go into a higher ranked school, just go into selective.
It may not be better, but at least they're not masquerading as being generous and kindhearted by investing in a random Aboriginal school, whilst simultaneously firing 2 of their 3 mental health counsellors.
I'm glad I graduated I shed not a single tear leaving those gates for the last time.

 

[Sam Rowan]

actually good schools are top 10

top ten schools change like every year, and what about other schools like sydney girls who used to be top 10 but have fallen to top 20? are they more average now?

 

[Flux]

top ten schools change like every year, and what about other schools like sydney girls who used to be top 10 but have fallen to top 20? are they more average now?

calling top 20 average is crazy my guy

 

[killer queen]

selectives are good but not good, if that makes any sense - some selectives I hear just assume their students have tutoring, even at the highest level, and so teach in a manner that is catered to that. it's also a lot more rote learning. but, it gets results, and the competitive environment does help some students, so they're decent. whether a selective is good or not I feel entirely depends on the student and what kind of learning environment they need. but it isn't the school itself that is getting them those ridiculously high schools, it's the fact the students are cherry-picked to be the best, and the school just tries to maintain that (in my experience).

private schools can be very hit or miss. some of them are quite good at bringing the average up, with a handful of teachers that do their utmost to assist the entire cohort. I kinda agree that top 50 private, you have to be good at something lest you get left behind, but at lower levels (50-150) privates can be quite good.

what my mum used to do was go to myschools and look at the NAPLAN results for a cohort in year 7 (e.g. 2023) and then in year 9 (2025 would be the same cohort) and see if they improved. for example, baulko's writing average actually decreased between these two years for the same cohort, demonstrating that in this area, they weren't improving as much as the rest of the state. (not attacking baulko, just citing an example I remember - though I don't remember which year.) yes, they were better than other schools, but there was no actual improvement in the cohort itself. so, this might be a method to see how holistically helpful a school is.

this is just my take!

 

[Flux]

selectives are good but not good, if that makes any sense - some selectives I hear just assume their students have tutoring, even at the highest level, and so teach in a manner that is catered to that. it's also a lot more rote learning. but, it gets results, and the competitive environment does help some students, so they're decent. whether a selective is good or not I feel entirely depends on the student and what kind of learning environment they need. but it isn't the school itself that is getting them those ridiculously high schools, it's the fact the students are cherry-picked to be the best, and the school just tries to maintain that (in my experience).

private schools can be very hit or miss. some of them are quite good at bringing the average up, with a handful of teachers that do their utmost to assist the entire cohort. I kinda agree that top 50 private, you have to be good at something lest you get left behind, but at lower levels (50-150) privates can be quite good.

what my mum used to do was go to myschools and look at the NAPLAN results for a cohort in year 7 (e.g. 2023) and then in year 9 (2025 would be the same cohort) and see if they improved. for example, baulko's writing average actually decreased between these two years for the same cohort, demonstrating that in this area, they weren't improving as much as the rest of the state. (not attacking baulko, just citing an example I remember - though I don't remember which year.) yes, they were better than other schools, but there was no actual improvement in the cohort itself. so, this might be a method to see how holistically helpful a school is.

this is just my take!

Same for private in regards to teachers assuming students do tutoring.
Everyone in the top 50 ranks for large subjects like english or math do tutoring, even the white kids.

 

[coolcat6778]

It seems every time i look at a school, there’s a debate for how good it is. how it goes academically, homework, state rankers, environmental conditions ect ect

So i wanna know, what schools would you say is genuinely good? with fair teachers and communities? Ranks and marks?

Im mainly asking about public schools, but fuck it, glaze some private ones whilst you’re here.

I think private schools would have the best teachers. Public school teachers suck, probably even selective as well.

 

[spiderlemonade]

My take on this, having attended private and selective
Private: Schoolwork is easier than selective, teachers are better than both public and selective.
Public: Eh it depends on ranking and the school itself, I think willoughby girls, epping boys, and chatswood high are good public schools. Teachers and homework are alright from what my friends have said.
Selective: Hardest schoolwork, teachers are hit and miss(it's a myth that selective schools get the best teachers, we're basically public schools). I think that top 20-30 selectives are chill in junior years, whereas for top 5... most people in my cohort have started locking in lmao

Academic ranking, imo: selective > private(if you can afford school fees) > public

 

[spiderlemonade]

top ten schools change like every year, and what about other schools like sydney girls who used to be top 10 but have fallen to top 20? are they more average now?

I think Sydney girls is a good school, top 10 worthy. Maybe they just had a worse cohort in 2024, like an outlier

 

[Sam Rowan]

I think private schools would have the best teachers. Public school teachers suck, probably even selective as well.

i have aunts and uncles that work in a private school, albeit in the primary sector. they’re loosing teachers left and right, hiring ones straight out of uni who end up leaving after a few months because they know they can get a job anywhere since teachers are so understaffed.
The actual curriculum is what makes or breaks it imo. that school has a very advanced curriculum and it’s seen in their naplan scores, a state overall score (the 60-100) is ~97.

 

[killer queen]

I think it really depends on what a person values in a school, @spiderlemonade you summarised it really nicely, selective's popularity and usefulness I think really benefits from the academic culture i.e. everyone pushing each other to do well, whereas in privates you have people wanting to do all sorts of things from the kids aiming for 99.95 to the kid who's gonna do trade in year 11. there'll be someone who hates and loves every school though, so I guess it's all compromise?

 

[Study to success]

It seems every time i look at a school, there’s a debate for how good it is. how it goes academically, homework, state rankers, environmental conditions ect ect

So i wanna know, what schools would you say is genuinely good? with fair teachers and communities? Ranks and marks?

Im mainly asking about public schools, but fuck it, glaze some private ones whilst you’re here.

Tbh it depends on the rank. Low ranked private schools usually aren’t worth it unless ur in a bad area where public schools are even worse. Only the kinda top private schools are worth it cause they have good teachers, resources, extra curricular, etc. Some private schools are actuallly worse than public depending on the area. Selective schools are good if u like a competitive environment but you’ll prob have to rely on tutoring and the teachers/ resources prob aren’t as good as the better private schools.

 

[spiderlemonade]

what my mum used to do was go to myschools and look at the NAPLAN results for a cohort in year 7 (e.g. 2023) and then in year 9 (2025 would be the same cohort) and see if they improved. for example, baulko's writing average actually decreased between these two years for the same cohort, demonstrating that in this area, they weren't improving as much as the rest of the state. (not attacking baulko, just citing an example I remember - though I don't remember which year.) yes, they were better than other schools, but there was no actual improvement in the cohort itself. so, this might be a method to see how holistically helpful a school is.

this is just my take!

A lot of selective schools accelerate maths(we do some year 9 content in year 8, some year 10 content in year 9 and so on) and have ranked maths classes from year 9 onwards. Whereas for english we get guaranteed eng adv(compulsory) so no one rlly cares about eng in junior years. Tbh i don't know a single person in my school that does english tutoring, while nearly everyone goes to maths or science tutoring. So yea i think it would make sense for writing level to decrease considering that our school teachers are kinda mid lol
Not saying you're wrong, this is just my theory

 

[Flux]

I think it really depends on what a person values in a school, @spiderlemonade you summarised it really nicely, selective's popularity and usefulness I think really benefits from the academic culture i.e. everyone pushing each other to do well, whereas in privates you have people wanting to do all sorts of things from the kids aiming for 99.95 to the kid who's gonna do trade in year 11. there'll be someone who hates and loves every school though, so I guess it's all compromise?

Honestly trade in year 11 is underrated as hell.
Good job security, good pay especially in Australia.
Not the hardest to learn but takes a while to get experienced, that's why u do it early. You can easily make 150k by the time ur like 25 as long as u work hard as a plumber or HVAC technician.

 

[coolcat6778]

What percentage of people at James Ruse attend tutoring for a subject like Maths? 80% or more?

 

[spiderlemonade]

What percentage of people at James Ruse attend tutoring for a subject like Maths? 80% or more?

like 90%, and thats for my cohort(i mean out of the people ik) which isn't even close to hsc
most people go kurt, some ngo and dr du

 

[Flux]

What percentage of people at James Ruse attend tutoring for a subject like Maths? 80% or more?

yeah around that is fair, maybe slightly more, and the rest are gifted and talented naturally and don't require it.