The war in Gaza has finished. Should pro-Palestine protests be cancelled and pro-Palestine activist groups finally disband? (1 Viewer)

[Interdice]

When are muslims going to apologize for 1400 years of imperialism and pay reparations?

A European can be a Muslim, an Arab can be a Muslim, a SOuth Asian can be a Muslim. Why should a SOuth Asian apologize for the actions of a European, just because of religion?

 

[Interdice]

LOL Israel have a bigger domestic military industry than most of the rest of the middle east combined

Yeah. But that domestic military is based on exactly one supplier. THey don't exactly make weapons, and there's only 7 million of them. Arabia could just swarm and kill them all.

If Israel drops a nuke, the Jews will all be gone, all ethnically cleased but Islam and Arabia will still live on.

 

[Interdice]

If the west stopped exporting military equipment to the middle east, Israel would grow in strength relative to the rest of the region

Bruh. ONly reason Israel is strong now, is cause Europe don't want them, and are funding them, so that they don't go back.

 

[Interdice]

Unrelated to anything, but I bought Matcha at mcdonalds for $7. Fuck those Asian f*ggots who suggested me grass juice.

I should have known better to ingest liquid from a people known for eating raw fish, old rice, seaweed and cats/dogs

 

[SylviaB]

No PROUD gay arabs thanks to those laws. Gay Arabs are rightfully oppresssed, and can't do their gay activities. Close enough

lol

So, not the same at all

 

[SylviaB]

A European can be a Muslim, an Arab can be a Muslim, a SOuth Asian can be a Muslim. Why should a SOuth Asian apologize for the actions of a European, just because of religion?

because muslims identify with their religion, not their race

well except arabs look down on other types of muslims

 

[SylviaB]

Yeah. But that domestic military is based on exactly one supplier. THey don't exactly make weapons, and there's only 7 million of them. Arabia could just swarm and kill them all.

 

[Interdice]

FUCK THE R/UNSW MODS. My new alt can't post on r/UNSW

It's so easy to get banned on reddit. r/UNSW was perfectly fine with NO MODERATION. BUT NOOOO the trannies have to assert their domination. THIS IS WHY I SUPPORT TRANNY DISCRIMINATION. AUSTRALIA FOR THE STRAIGHT MAN.

Fuck that tranny pedo COMP1010 lecturer, and the gender fluid COMP2521 lecturer. PLEASE TRUMP 250% TARRIFS. SANCTION UNSW TO GUNATEMO BAY PLEASE YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE US.

 

[Interdice]

because muslims identify with their religion, not their race

well except arabs look down on other types of muslims

ONly the SOuth Asian Muslims, which do the LEAST amount of European/American terrorism.. Turkish people HATE Pakistani Muslims. And Arabs have their tribes, which are held above religion.

 

[Interdice]

lol

So, not the same at all

Hey. If I can go up to my TRANNY COMP1010 LECTURER and say "Excuse me SIR, I'm calling ICE on you, self deport NOW, or face execution", I count that as NO F*GGOTS

 

[SylviaB]

remember afghanistan? Muslim men raping boys and American troops told to ignre it because its their culture?

Muslim Afghan soldiers recruited by America to fight the taliban also had a big problem - they would rape each other constantly and the US didn't know if they should stop it or not (culturally insensitive)

!!

 

[SylviaB]

Germany: Man in asylum accommodation pushed friend out of window and raped him while he was critically injured

A man living in an asylum accommodation has been convicted by the Tübingen Regional Court for pushing a male acquaintance out of a window and raping him, an incident that was captured by a surveillance camera. The 30-year-old man has been sentenced to 11 years in prison for aggravated assault...

rmx.news

 

[jane1820]

why is this chat still going? you all are just embarrassing yourselves, some of you are not educated and the other are showcasing low intelligence by interferring with the non educated

 

[Interdice]

Muslim Afghan soldiers recruited by America to fight the taliban also had a big problem - they would rape each other constantly and the US didn't know if they should stop it or not (culturally insensitive)

I mean.... At least raping involves only one consensually party, European/American LGBTQ involves 2. Still better

remember afghanistan? Muslim men raping boys and American troops told to ignre it because its their culture?

Damn. being f*ggots to little kids is their culture? SO sad. My people would never engagein homosexuality with a minor.

But Europeans do this as well, whenever Europeans educate kids about LGBTQ

 

[Interdice]

why is this chat still going? you all are just embarrassing yourselves, some of you are not educated and the other are showcasing low intelligence by interferring with the non educated

Okay. So between me and Sylvia, who isn't educated and who has low intelligence?

And this chat brings me back to the old days, when I used to be homophobic to my friends. Reddit admins block me, for "hate speech" and "Threatening violence", because god forbid you don't want a f*ggot for a son/daughter

Year 11 kid, you're probably still being molested by the LGBTQ, their propaganda is fresh in your head. Lol you probably think a man can become a woman, I remember when I thought that. Well I never actually believed it.

 

[Interdice]

Germany: Man in asylum accommodation pushed friend out of window and raped him while he was critically injured

A man living in an asylum accommodation has been convicted by the Tübingen Regional Court for pushing a male acquaintance out of a window and raping him, an incident that was captured by a surveillance camera. The 30-year-old man has been sentenced to 11 years in prison for aggravated assault...

rmx.news

HOrrible situation. Terrible homosexuality. But I do respect the rapist's dedication. I don't kinkshame(except for homosexuality and sexualith assault), so I'm okay with public exhibition.

 

[dan964]

Lol, so you believe that through Hamas' actions, 5.3 million people are effectively sentenced to death, including women, children and infants. Let me ask you this retard, do you think that the famine in Gaza is a consequence of Hamas or the fact that the Israeli occupation is systematically starving these people, or are you one of those people that reject the famine altogether?

I personally don't reject the famine completely. But if you are Hamas, they effectively starting a fight that they had no chance of winning. Hamas is 100% winning on the PR front (they have won over the UN and its sympathizers) but is horribly losing the war on a practical level. The war could have ended a lot earlier if Hamas surrendered and returned all the hostages. But they won't and haven't. The issue of the famine is partially the fault of the UN agencies failure in the aid pipelines and the fact that Hamas has been seizing the aid.

A ceasefire is not necessarily the end of a war. There was also a ceasefire and hostage swap in January, which amounted to nothing. I think most people would at least want a peace treaty signed before we can say definitively that the war is over (and even then, the war could flare up again). Also, even if the bombing stops, there is still a blockade on Gaza, Israeli settlers undermining a two-state solution, and a general lack of sovereignty for Palestinians, among other reasons, for there to be protests about the current state of Palestine.

If you are referring to the naval blockade that was pre-existing and was recognized as legitimate in one report (the infamous Palmer report) but again that is also contested information.

TBH, a two state solution won't appease radicals on either side that want the other side eradicated.
I do not agree with the provocative settlements, that just adds fuel to the fire.

Doesn't count as a genocide, if it's against the colonizers.

Ignorance.

This is coloniser logic that has been used (most recently by 12 year olds on the internet) to justify imperialism and colonialism. It is NOT a justifiable reason, try applying it to WW2 or pretty much all of Australia's history with Indigenous Australians and it starts looking REALLY bad.

Pot calling the kettle black. People throwing around terms like "colonizer" but are ignorant of history or meaning. It is also fallacious to compare Australia's history with the Middle East.

What I mean throwing around words like "colonization" are typically gross oversimplifications. I hope people realize not every conflict is two sides, one of colonization versus resistance by a indigenous people. That is a really bad liberal Western import onto a situation that is grossly ignorant of the history behind this conflict, that presumes one side is wrong and the other side of right when the truth is far more complex.

Did you know that Jews have historical and spiritual ties to the land too (so they can claim they are the indigenous people)?
Religion especially radical variants of Islam, plays a huge part in this conflict as well, since some sects view it is as Islamic territory ever since it was conquered in the 6th/7th century. One side argues that it is repatriation of indigenous people expelled from a homeland and the other side argues exactly what you are stating.

The people to add to the blame for the modern situation are the British and the Ottoman Empire (Turkish) before them. Mandatory Palestine was a British territory, not an independent state, the modern state of Israel is its closest successor. And the name Palestine was in response to a Jewish revolt in 136AD, most of the Arab migration occurred during the Islamic conquests of the 6th century and then further in the 1700s.

The modern concept of a Palestinian identity (just do your research on Yasser Arafat) is relative newish thing (maybe since the late 80s), noting that prior to that West Bank was part of Jordan and Gaza part of Egypt. Arab states attacked Israel in 1967 and surprisingly lost which is why Israel administers (or occupies, depending on your slant) those areas; although it withdrew from Gaza and let the Palestinians self-rule in 2005.

The point I'm making is people blindly parrot phrases and put their support behind one side without actually doing the proper fact checking of history. It is messy and imho in this current conflict, both sides have a bit to answer for. Politics, especially around Israel, is messy.

 

[imgonnascream]

Pot calling the kettle black. People throwing around terms like "colonizer" but are ignorant of history or meaning. It is also fallacious to compare Australia's history with the Middle East.

you do understand that I was specifically referring to the reasoning that the land belongs to whoever is strong enough to hold it, right? Because that reasoning was applied everywhere from Australia to the Middle East to East Asia, etc. And no it’s not fallacious to make historical comparisons, I don’t take a side in this war but it’s a known fact that Palestinians are being starved and removed from their land, this is something that happened to many other indigenous peoples. And yes, Palestinians are Indigenous to that land in the same way as any other people, they were already living there before the creation of a Jewish state, a fact you seem to miss. I’m not Muslim but during the British mandate of Palestine that land was majority Muslim not Jewish.

 

[dan964]

you do understand that I was specifically referring to the reasoning that the land belongs to whoever is strong enough to hold it, right? Because that reasoning was applied everywhere from Australia to the Middle East to East Asia, etc. And no it’s not fallacious to make historical comparisons, I don’t take a side in this war but it’s a known fact that Palestinians are being starved and removed from their land, this is something that happened to many other indigenous peoples. And yes, Palestinians are Indigenous to that land in the same way as any other people,

I take the position that both sides have their problems as well.
Your quip about starvation I agree with which is due to the current conflict but I would apply that to the Gaza strip only, not to all of Israel/Palestine. But as I also mentioned this is not purely on Israel, Hamas and the UN agencies are part to blame as well. There is well documented video footage of large amounts of aid going into Gaza, as well as footage of Hamas looting aid - so its not from lack of trying.
(Aside: the situation in Yemen is even greater but no-one is vocal about that butI digress)

You said "this is colonizer logic" using the labels of "colonizer" and "indigenous" - my critique was the manner in which those terms get thrown around carelessly and I stand by original comment that you threw them around as such.
My point is that you are defining or playing into the idea that everything is in terms of colonialism vs indigenous struggle; with obviously one being in the right and the latter being in the wrong.

they were already living there before the creation of a Jewish state, a fact you seem to miss. I’m not Muslim but during the British mandate of Palestine that land was majority Muslim not Jewish.

I did not miss, you did not read up on history past 1900. Also you do realize whomever was majority is irrelevant, indigenous has nothing to do with majority, both Jews, Christians and Arabs (not just Muslims) have historical and spiritual connections to the land, and technically Jewish claim is way older (Muslim conquests were 6th century AD, Jewish claims date to pre-Roman times when the region was called Israel / Judea); but there have been other conquests since including the Ottomans and Egyptian conquests)... obviously there are more simpler* political motives tied in as well as nationalist (and superiority complex on the part of both groups including 'Zionists').
(* or more complex, depending on how one sees it).

My point is this isn't a case of one side being the "colonizer" and the other being the indigenous, so hence why comparing it to scenarios like Australia is irrelevant and not applicable. The closest equivalence I can think of is what happened in the Bosnian wars in the 1990s,
and maybe the WW2 is relevant (allied bombing of Dresden is an example) but this one is a lot more complicated, because you also have sacred sites as well (so the specific piece of land is still important, yes it has to be the land of Israel/Palestine and Jerusalem).

But my critique applies to you and the person making what you referred to as a "colonizer" argument. If only the conflict was to do with land disputes, rather than layered in with an intense hatred and racial prejudice (between Jews and Arab Muslims) that exists as old as Islam itself. A lot of this war is rooted in deep religious and racial prejudice. The difference is you have Israel, is yes majority Jewish partially because all the Jews were expelled out of the Arab countries post WW2 and post 1948. The other reason why the term "colonization" does not work in this scenario you kind of conflate what a "Palestinian" is. The modern "Palestine" identity does not equal the identity of someone living intime of Mandatory Palestine.

 

[Interdice]

Did you know that Jews have historical and spiritual ties to the land too (so they can claim they are the indigenous people)?

These Jews are Europeans who have deluded themselves into thinking that they were the ancient noble race, who once inhabited Israel. This is a common and dangerous behavior with Europeans. I met a presumably Dutch girl, who described herself to me as South African. No amount of words or culture will make her an African, just as with the Jews.

As a brown person's who's country was colonized, I support Palestine's right to take back what's rightfully theirs.