Is this how HSC marks are calculated? (1 Viewer)

[temporarylol]

Ranking	Overall Assessment Mark at School	Raw HSC mark
1	99	93
2	97	90
3	94	80
4	89	92
5	88	87

So the first ranked student would receive: (99+93) / 2 = 96

Second ranked student would receive (97+92) / 2 = 94.5

Third ranked student would receive (94+90) / 2 = 93

Fourth ranked student would receive (89+87) / 2 = 88

Fifth ranked student would receive (88+80) / 2 = 84


Any thoughts? @jimmysmith560

Thanks!

 

[Nedom]

Yeah nah. Basically, your internal raw marks don't matter at all. Your internal mark for the HSC is based off the performance of the students in your cohort, in that subject. The raw HSC marks would be reordered from the highest to lowest corresponding to the values of 1, 2, 3, 4, etc., and you would instead be taking the average between those two. If NESA took the raws of internal assessments then Ruse and Baulko kids would be crying so hard, as they specifically make extremely hard tests that well surpass the questions in HSC to push the students to excel, where in these tests, many students actually fail.

 

[Nedom]

 

[temporarylol]

Ah ok, because that's what it said on the Matrix website so I wasn't sure: ATAR & Scaling Part 1: How HSC Marks are Calculated | Matrix Education

 

[temporarylol]

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So where does the process of aligning raw marks come in?

 

[Nedom]

So where does the process of aligning raw marks come in?

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong:
The HSC marks are the result of alignment, so basically before you start ordering the numbers and averaging everything, the alignment has already been applied by NESA themselves through this formula (pretty sure) that a board/team of mathematicians (or something similar) worked out (anecdote told by a teacher who was working in the room/space besides them when they went for HSC marking), which they just input your raw marks for each subject and would be able to output the corresponding HSC marks you get.

 

[Trebla]

You may want to have a look at this flowchart

Flowchart of how HSC marks and ATAR are determined

Hi all, We have received a lot of questions on the aspects of the HSC and ATAR calculation process ranging from scaling, moderating and aligning. It has become apparent that some confusion exists on how the process works overall. This is important to understand before diving into the finer...

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[may22]

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wait does this mean that first place internal mark ALWAYS ends up as the highest hsc mark? I've heard different ideas.

E.g. I was ranked first for advanced english. If I get the highest mark in my cohort in the HSC, then my internal mark becomes that mark? And my overall HSC mark would be the same because then my internal and external marks will match, right?

 

[Nedom]

wait does this mean that first place internal mark ALWAYS ends up as the highest hsc mark? I've heard different ideas.

E.g. I was ranked first for advanced english. If I get the highest mark in my cohort in the HSC, then my internal mark becomes that mark? And my overall HSC mark would be the same because then my internal and external marks will match, right?

First question: No
Second question: Yes

In the case of your second question, you got the highest external mark, and so when the marks of your cohort are ordered, you will also get the highest assessment mark (internal) as you got first, therefore, since you got the same, highest mark, the average between the two is just the same mark, and it would naturally be the highest.

Answer to first question:
However, let's say you didn't get the highest external mark, but as first place you will still get the highest assessment mark, and as they each contribute 50% to your final HSC mark for the subject, you can attain a HSC mark lower than of another.

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Like in the case of 'Zhang' and 'Aleesha', where even though Aleesha got a worse assessment mark due to her being one position behind, she excelled in the HSC exam, greatly surpassing Zhang, and so the HSC mark (the average between HSC exam mark and internal/assessment mark) of Aleesha was higher than Zhang.

 

[may22]

First question: No
Second question: Yes

In the case of your second question, you got the highest external mark, and so when the marks of your cohort are ordered, you will also get the highest assessment mark (internal) as you got first, therefore, since you got the same, highest mark, the average between the two is just the same mark, and it would naturally be the highest.

Answer to first question:
However, let's say you didn't get the highest external mark, but as first place you will still get the highest assessment mark, and as they each contribute 50% to your final HSC mark for the subject, you can attain a HSC mark lower than of another.



Like in the case of 'Zhang' and 'Aleesha', where even though Aleesha got a worse assessment mark due to her being one position behind, she excelled in the HSC exam, greatly surpassing Zhang, and so the HSC mark (the average between HSC exam mark and internal/assessment mark) of Aleesha was higher than Zhang.

ok thank you for clarifying

 

[chilli 412]

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i understand how alexa and flynn got their new moderated internals, but how did all the other students get theirs?

 

[Nedom]

i understand how alexa and flynn got their new moderated internals, but how did all the other students get theirs?

Basically, the external marks all got arranged in descending order going down, i.e. 92, 77, 74, 59, 57, 50, which the average between the internal and external marks gave the final HSC mark. They did the 92 first, as it was the highest, so put it to the top, and 50, as the lowest score, just put it at the bottom (kind of just for the convenience of understanding the arrangement part).

 

[chilli 412]

Basically, the external marks all got arranged in descending order going down, i.e. 92, 77, 74, 59, 57, 50, which the average between the internal and external marks gave the final HSC mark. They did the 92 first, as it was the highest, so put it to the top, and 50, as the lowest score, just put it at the bottom (kind of just for the convenience of understanding the arrangement part).

how come zhang didnt get 80 when he was rank 2 in internals and 80 was rank 2 externals

 

[Nedom]

Oh, sorry about that. If you look at Step 8 on the side, pretty sure it's from the balancing of the scores with respect to the corresponding gap between the internal raw marks they had. It's probably best to look at the resources/information Trebela posted above as it should contain all the details for a better understanding of how HSC marks work.