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How is $80+/hr a justified rate?!?! Tell me your thoughts + why (1 Viewer)

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Yeah it's unreasonable but people probably pay for it so they keep doing so it works sadly.

I hold the same opinion about general practitioners earning 200k when the ones I've been to have been useless, they just prescribe panadol or tell you to rest and rake in 200k per year. I once asked if my wrist pain was a problem and that it started from year 11 or 12, and that I started rock climbing in uni. And he decided to tell me it's probably due to rock climbing and I should keep going to strengthen my wrists LMAO. Then a better doctor (1+ hour wait even with booking) told me it's RSI which made more sense. So many of them are emotionless and just want you to get out of their office ASAP so they can farm more patients and get more money which is ironic since they needed to pass an EmoTiOn sEctiOn of UMAT
But don’t they still earn 200k regardless of amount of patients. What’s the point in farming
 

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But don’t they still earn 200k regardless of amount of patients. What’s the point in farming
They get paid per patient - no patients no pay (of course). Medicare pays about $37 per patient just for a consult. If they do extra things like draw blood or write a referral, Medicare pays a bit extra. So they do have an incentive to churn and earn.
 

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My daughter went to a school that at the time wasn’t in the top 400. She doesn’t use any resources - she just helps students with whatever they need help with. She was happy to tutor in any of the subjects that she took at HSC level (maths all levels, English, physics, chemistry, biology & economics - some students would ask for help in 3 or 4 subjects in the hour session, so they considered her sessions really great value). During her first couple of years, she charged $30/hr, but her med classmates charged $70/hr and kept nagging her to increase her rates. She eventually increased them to $40/hr for new students, but still charged $30/hr for kids that started with her in junior high. Many of her students improved dramatically and started topping subjects in the schools around our area, so she received many new requests & had to turn a lot away. Several parents offered to pay her much more but she only took in students when she had a space and it was on a first in/first serve basis and she didn’t accept more than $40/hr.
 
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We’ve never used tutoring or coaching for our kids because there hasn’t been a need, but our son had outgrown high school maths by the end of last year, but still had two more years of school to go, so we found an overseas postgrad maths student who is the perfect mentor for him... who charges *cough* $AU350 for each weekly 90 minute zoom session (~$235/hr), but it’s really worthwhile, especially since we only pay double digit annual school fees. It’s really not about the content, but keeping the interest & passion to explore maths going.
 
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Without being blunt, some of these tutors who charge relatively excessive amounts may be doing so for a few reasons. For example, if they are a med student and are living interstate, they would have to make sure they have enough money to take care of themselves (food, rent, etc), whereas at home, these 'luxuries' would already be taken care off. Like I had a tutor who was also charging $80 per hour, but they had been teaching for 20+ years, so I knew that they knew exactly what they were doing and how to cater for any student. However, I definitely believe $80 per hour for a student fresh out of high school is definitely a bit over the top.
 

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Pay doctors like teachers then see how many 99ers have a sudden passion to "help people"
Tbh, I think that it would be entirely fair to not go into medicine if the salary wasn't worth it.

There's a shitton of schooling, hard work, sacrifice, opportunity cost and debt that you have to go into. If you weren't well compensated at the end of it, then choosing medicine would be the worst financial decision of your life.
 

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HOW DO THOSE JR STUDENTS JUSTIFY CHARGING $80+ AN HOUR FOR 1-ON-1 TUTORING?

I charge almost half that price for year 12 students. Am I undervaluing my work or are they the ones being unreasonable?

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Thanks for the ted talk, what an honour to be here.

Eh, price is really arbitrary. Some tutors charge $80+ because they can, whilst other charge $80+ because of their track record in producing excellent students. So, it is up to you to do your own due diligence in picking a tutor that you work well with.

Putting things into perspective - $80/week x 52 weeks = $4160, which really isn't as much as you'd think in the long term when you land a good job.
 

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Even I, with a postgraduate degree and over 20 years of tutoring experience, find it hard to charge $80/hr.

I feel some of the people who achieved an ATAR of 99.95 think they are perfect. I think they are rather swell-headed and arrogant. But I'm sure an exceptional few do make very good tutors.
I agree that the attributes of a good tutor are far more than just good marks. My son is far more advanced in Maths & physics than his sister, but I highly doubt that he’d ever be as effective as a tutor. She could immediately assess her students’ gaps in understanding and close them by appropriate explanation, whereas he just wouldn’t fathom that people can be stuck on basic concepts.

Fortunately, he has a much more suitable casual job quality checking practice papers. It’s sporadic work and he is paid per paper which is ideal as his efficiency means his return for an hour of work is pretty good (considering he started as a 15 yr old and he can ‘work from home’).
 

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$4160 for only 52 hours of work + some extra random hours outside the set frame is actually heaps and a big rip off
I see where you're coming from, $80/hr is expensive without a doubt. (For context, I don't charge this. I'm just offering perspectives.)

I've worked for quite a few places, alongside a handful of clients, as well as on my own side business. Over time, I think I've come to see pricing as a measure of value rather than hours. I know, it sounds like a load of bs. But, hear me out.

I've worked alongside your small business employed lawyers, as well as your big associate lawyers. The prior is paid $40/hr, and the latter $400/hr. The $40/hr is stressed, and the $400/hr is 10x as stressed.

She's 10x stressed because of the level of responsibility she takes on, as well as the results she gets for her clients. The return on investment is very, very substantial for the client.

Just my two cents.
 

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$4160 for only 52 hours of work + some extra random hours outside the set frame is actually heaps and a big rip off
Depends - if that tutoring is the difference between getting into your dream uni course or not, it's worth it. But I don't know if $80/hour tutors bring significantly more to the table than $50/hour tutors. I feel like you hit diminishing returns past a certain points
 

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I see where you're coming from, $80/hr is expensive without a doubt. (For context, I don't charge this. I'm just offering perspectives.)

I've worked for quite a few places, alongside a handful of clients, as well as on my own side business. Over time, I think I've come to see pricing as a measure of value rather than hours. I know, it sounds like a load of bs. But, hear me out.

I've worked alongside your small business employed lawyers, as well as your big associate lawyers. The prior is paid $40/hr, and the latter $400/hr. The $40/hr is stressed, and the $400/hr is 10x as stressed.

She's 10x stressed because of the level of responsibility she takes on, as well as the results she gets for her clients. The return on investment is very, very substantial for the client.

Just my two cents.
I know of a lawyer that gets paid 30k/day by big businesses, fucking nuts
 

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Without being blunt, some of these tutors who charge relatively excessive amounts may be doing so for a few reasons. For example, if they are a med student and are living interstate, they would have to make sure they have enough money to take care of themselves (food, rent, etc), whereas at home, these 'luxuries' would already be taken care off.
This is not a valid reason. By that logic, they should demand $80/hr for working at Maccas for the same reason. High expenses does not mean you should get paid more.
 

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I was just browsing through highschooltutors and looking at the rates people charge, particularly focusing on recent graduates who got similar results to me. I'm shocked.

HOW DO THOSE JR STUDENTS JUSTIFY CHARGING $80+ AN HOUR FOR 1-ON-1 TUTORING? Sure, you may be a 99.5+ atar med student but you're still fresh out of high school. I doubt they have the experience (and time to help you out of hours) they claim. Many people start off at a low rate and increase it year by year as they gain experience and collect more resources. So unless you've done further tertiary study in a particular subject and/or have taught for many years, I don't think this exorbitant fee is acceptable. Remember that even state ranks were taught by someone, whether it be their school teacher or a tutor.

My rant: do these tutors actually get many (if any) students? Or is this some form of self-preservation where they try to 'earn back' the money they spent on their own education? Literal cash 🐮.There are more qualified people out there that charge more affordable prices.

I charge almost half that price for year 12 students. Am I undervaluing my work or are they the ones being unreasonable?

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plenty of people are able to get people on $80/h.

I've heard that english tutors are normally able to charge the most, up to like 100/h lol.
 

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Depends - if that tutoring is the difference between getting into your dream uni course or not, it's worth it. But I don't know if $80/hour tutors bring significantly more to the table than $50/hour tutors. I feel like you hit diminishing returns past a certain points
Great point, I agree with this. For most students, knowing enough is good enough. Past that point, you're not going to get a whole lot of extra marks in an exam per extra hour of study you do. Likewise, you won't get significant enough difference between a $60/hr and $80/hr+ tutor.
 

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Great point, I agree with this. For most students, knowing enough is good enough. Past that point, you're not going to get a whole lot of extra marks in an exam per extra hour of study you do. Likewise, you won't get significant enough difference between a $60/hr and $80/hr+ tutor.
That's a fair point ... you could get more out of a tutor who charges $30 per hour compared to someone who charges $80 per hour because the cheaper tutor is less focused on the money and more focused on their students and making sure they can achieve the best possible marks they can. It can be quite hard to find a balance between money and the quality of tutor without overcompensating (as generally, better tutors will charge relatively higher prices which not everyone will be able to afford)
 

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